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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 13:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon K,
Just want to chime in with an Amen!

Especially &quot;2) The social aspect of school is, in my opinion, more important than the education delivered.&quot;

I think there exists much data that suggests that the marginal value add of education has always negligible for a mass market. The inability to recognize this inconvenient truth makes it very hard for educators to take a clear look at how to get to efficient delivery of education services. 

My take is that the truly disruptive force is a new reality for what a &quot;family&quot; means. As it continues to be possible for women to earn their own incomes, this is a secular trend. As new forms of accommodation to this reality emerge education can move forward to a new value add - actually helping teaching masses of people to think.

It&#039;s a new task that will require new forms of much more efficient staffing, and much less value created by the legacy physical plant. As the Vice President said about Health Care, it&#039;s a BFD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon K,<br />
Just want to chime in with an Amen!</p>
<p>Especially &#8220;2) The social aspect of school is, in my opinion, more important than the education delivered.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think there exists much data that suggests that the marginal value add of education has always negligible for a mass market. The inability to recognize this inconvenient truth makes it very hard for educators to take a clear look at how to get to efficient delivery of education services. </p>
<p>My take is that the truly disruptive force is a new reality for what a &#8220;family&#8221; means. As it continues to be possible for women to earn their own incomes, this is a secular trend. As new forms of accommodation to this reality emerge education can move forward to a new value add &#8211; actually helping teaching masses of people to think.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a new task that will require new forms of much more efficient staffing, and much less value created by the legacy physical plant. As the Vice President said about Health Care, it&#8217;s a BFD.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 13:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there&#039;s two key pieces that are being underrepresented. 

1) Lots of parents would withdraw their kids from school if they had the money to do so. With primary education being a substitute for daycare for many, there is a great disincentive for parents to get out of the system.

2) The social aspect of school is, in my opinion, more important than the education delivered. Some home schooled children have a different way of working with others, mostly because they have been socialized in a different way. That&#039;s not to say that all home schooled children are awkward socially, but for some this is an additional challenge. Now, with the web becoming much more social, I wonder if the web can support that? Or will it be different?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s two key pieces that are being underrepresented. </p>
<p>1) Lots of parents would withdraw their kids from school if they had the money to do so. With primary education being a substitute for daycare for many, there is a great disincentive for parents to get out of the system.</p>
<p>2) The social aspect of school is, in my opinion, more important than the education delivered. Some home schooled children have a different way of working with others, mostly because they have been socialized in a different way. That&#8217;s not to say that all home schooled children are awkward socially, but for some this is an additional challenge. Now, with the web becoming much more social, I wonder if the web can support that? Or will it be different?</p>
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		<title>By: Final Thoughts @ Digital Media in the Classroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Final Thoughts @ Digital Media in the Classroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] me to go against the grain and forge ahead sometimes with the unpopular stance. As with this post http://weblogg-ed.com/2010/opportunity-not-threat/. I find myself trying to do more of the “right” thing for kids, despite what sometimes may seem [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] me to go against the grain and forge ahead sometimes with the unpopular stance. As with this post <a href="http://weblogg-ed.com/2010/opportunity-not-threat/" rel="nofollow">http://weblogg-ed.com/2010/opportunity-not-threat/</a>. I find myself trying to do more of the “right” thing for kids, despite what sometimes may seem [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Missing the Boat &#124; Expat Alley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Missing the Boat &#124; Expat Alley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this week, a respected education writer wrote in his blog that even though many people complain about the current state of education in the US and praise the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: April</title>
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		<dc:creator>April</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Apr 2010 20:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I keep hearing this, but as a parent myself, and along with every single parent I know, absolutely none of us are content with traditional education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I keep hearing this, but as a parent myself, and along with every single parent I know, absolutely none of us are content with traditional education.</p>
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		<title>By: rafi</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2010/opportunity-not-threat/comment-page-1/#comment-77042</link>
		<dc:creator>rafi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Student A just held her return button down in the chat function which caused the repetition of her name,The pontentially good news is that the Obama education policy seems to be focused precisely at the 5000 hs dropout factories and Community Colleges in the States</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Student A just held her return button down in the chat function which caused the repetition of her name,The pontentially good news is that the Obama education policy seems to be focused precisely at the 5000 hs dropout factories and Community Colleges in the States</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ann Reilly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ann Reilly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All discussions of power eventually lead back to Michel Foucault. Foucault argues that discourse constructs the topic.  It defines and produces the objects of our knowledge.  It conditions the ways a topic can be discussed  and reasoned. The discourse of &quot;traditional&quot; schooling IS schooling. To discuss alternative understandings of school means to invent new language, new historical memory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All discussions of power eventually lead back to Michel Foucault. Foucault argues that discourse constructs the topic.  It defines and produces the objects of our knowledge.  It conditions the ways a topic can be discussed  and reasoned. The discourse of &#8220;traditional&#8221; schooling IS schooling. To discuss alternative understandings of school means to invent new language, new historical memory.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Trevino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie Trevino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 15:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting…..the world has changed so much in a relatively short period of time.  Parents find comfort in what they know.  What they know is the “traditional classroom”.    This is a place where children sit in a classroom listening as the teacher stands in the front of the classroom lecturing.   The unknown is scary for most…… There is so much gain once we do away with those fears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting…..the world has changed so much in a relatively short period of time.  Parents find comfort in what they know.  What they know is the “traditional classroom”.    This is a place where children sit in a classroom listening as the teacher stands in the front of the classroom lecturing.   The unknown is scary for most…… There is so much gain once we do away with those fears.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 06:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings from New Zealand!

Once again, I refer your readers to http://bit.ly/bMHHlV to read a quite thorough and thoughtful treatise on these issues originally published in 1996.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings from New Zealand!</p>
<p>Once again, I refer your readers to <a href="http://bit.ly/bMHHlV" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/bMHHlV</a> to read a quite thorough and thoughtful treatise on these issues originally published in 1996.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rasha,
My thought is that &quot;slowly instill in educators,parents,and students the idea that online leaarning or the integration of technology is “an opportunity” rather than “a threat”&quot; will take quite a long time at the middle of the pyramid.

The real threat is the unknown. I don&#039;t think any words can mitigate that threat for parents who see that the present approach, with all of it&#039;s problems, is the safest way to go.

The more plausible path, I think, is to focus at the bottom of the pyramid. For them the threat is crystal clear. At Bottom of the Pyramid dropout factories in the States, it can be literally a matter of life or prison.

Even if any particular kid doesn&#039;t wind up dead or in jail the threat of the possiblity is real to every parent in those communities.

My point is that in the face of that threat and now with the new government focus at the BoP, the most likely place for Tipping Point growth is precisely in Detroit, Baltimore, Newark South Central Los Angeles, and the 5000 indentified drop out factories in the States.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rasha,<br />
My thought is that &#8220;slowly instill in educators,parents,and students the idea that online leaarning or the integration of technology is “an opportunity” rather than “a threat”&#8221; will take quite a long time at the middle of the pyramid.</p>
<p>The real threat is the unknown. I don&#8217;t think any words can mitigate that threat for parents who see that the present approach, with all of it&#8217;s problems, is the safest way to go.</p>
<p>The more plausible path, I think, is to focus at the bottom of the pyramid. For them the threat is crystal clear. At Bottom of the Pyramid dropout factories in the States, it can be literally a matter of life or prison.</p>
<p>Even if any particular kid doesn&#8217;t wind up dead or in jail the threat of the possiblity is real to every parent in those communities.</p>
<p>My point is that in the face of that threat and now with the new government focus at the BoP, the most likely place for Tipping Point growth is precisely in Detroit, Baltimore, Newark South Central Los Angeles, and the 5000 indentified drop out factories in the States.</p>
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		<title>By: Rasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see eye to eye with you.Traditional schooling is a threat specially when it&#039;s taken to extremes.Howevere,I believe that a more pacifist approach to handle the problem &quot;traditional schooling&quot; is to slowly instill in educators,parents,and students the idea that online leaarning or the integration of technology is &quot;an opportunity&quot; rather than &quot;a threat&quot;.Besides, proper orientation about the advantages of &quot;networkted study&quot; to both parents and students,and advocating the importance of the educator&#039;s role as a facilitator would greatly help in rapidly and radically changing the educational stereotype of our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see eye to eye with you.Traditional schooling is a threat specially when it&#8217;s taken to extremes.Howevere,I believe that a more pacifist approach to handle the problem &#8220;traditional schooling&#8221; is to slowly instill in educators,parents,and students the idea that online leaarning or the integration of technology is &#8220;an opportunity&#8221; rather than &#8220;a threat&#8221;.Besides, proper orientation about the advantages of &#8220;networkted study&#8221; to both parents and students,and advocating the importance of the educator&#8217;s role as a facilitator would greatly help in rapidly and radically changing the educational stereotype of our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Muntaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muntaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 21:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the kids teaching while the students nod and listen,will they really do that on their own?
 they will lead by their learning choices alsothe class for questioning on a facebook site that had been established by a student of our school who titled the facebook group-Let’s get rid of student D and make her move to a new school!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the kids teaching while the students nod and listen,will they really do that on their own?<br />
 they will lead by their learning choices alsothe class for questioning on a facebook site that had been established by a student of our school who titled the facebook group-Let’s get rid of student D and make her move to a new school!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Josefowicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Josefowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 20:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got here from a twitter convo and glad I did. Just to add my $.02. The history of disruptive innovation makes it pretty clear that disruptive as opposed to additive innovations take root at the bottom of the pyramid in a previously un served population.

The problem at the top and middle of the pyramid is that the  safe way thing to do is what was done before. It&#039;s only natural. In the States the natural space for DIY U and others to grow to the strength needed to re invent education is probably at the HS dropout factories and the community colleges. It&#039;s pretty clear that what they are doing is not working while the costs continue to grow.

The reality is that at the very, very top of the pyramid we find rigorous homeschooling, wonderful private schools and other ways to ensure that kids get just the right edu to live good lives. I think it&#039;s fair to say that the top tier colleges also provide an pretty good environment.

The problem is the 85% of &quot;higher Ed&quot; that charges top tier prices while delivering little more than training for most of their students. An interesting vision of how this might play out is described by the National Association of Scholars at http://ilnk.me/NAS

The pontentially good news is that the Obama education policy seems to be focused precisely at the 5000 hs dropout factories and Community Colleges in the States</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got here from a twitter convo and glad I did. Just to add my $.02. The history of disruptive innovation makes it pretty clear that disruptive as opposed to additive innovations take root at the bottom of the pyramid in a previously un served population.</p>
<p>The problem at the top and middle of the pyramid is that the  safe way thing to do is what was done before. It&#8217;s only natural. In the States the natural space for DIY U and others to grow to the strength needed to re invent education is probably at the HS dropout factories and the community colleges. It&#8217;s pretty clear that what they are doing is not working while the costs continue to grow.</p>
<p>The reality is that at the very, very top of the pyramid we find rigorous homeschooling, wonderful private schools and other ways to ensure that kids get just the right edu to live good lives. I think it&#8217;s fair to say that the top tier colleges also provide an pretty good environment.</p>
<p>The problem is the 85% of &#8220;higher Ed&#8221; that charges top tier prices while delivering little more than training for most of their students. An interesting vision of how this might play out is described by the National Association of Scholars at <a href="http://ilnk.me/NAS" rel="nofollow">http://ilnk.me/NAS</a></p>
<p>The pontentially good news is that the Obama education policy seems to be focused precisely at the 5000 hs dropout factories and Community Colleges in the States</p>
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		<title>By: EJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>EJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 18:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learning what is really behind the education system can help - John Taylor Gatto is a good read, &quot;Dumbing Us Down&quot; and &quot;Weapons of Mass Instruction&quot;.  And once your parents have read those, hand them, &quot;College Without High School&quot; by Blake Boles- start even earlier and skip the highschool blues altogther!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learning what is really behind the education system can help &#8211; John Taylor Gatto is a good read, &#8220;Dumbing Us Down&#8221; and &#8220;Weapons of Mass Instruction&#8221;.  And once your parents have read those, hand them, &#8220;College Without High School&#8221; by Blake Boles- start even earlier and skip the highschool blues altogther!</p>
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		<title>By: Daily Links 04/08/2010 &#171; EduEyeView</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily Links 04/08/2010 &#171; EduEyeView</dc:creator>
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