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		<title>By: Ellen Hrebeniuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen Hrebeniuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 09:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what is going to drive people to learn what they don’t think they need to learn?
You never know what people will get interested in.  In a suburb even less fashionable than mine, in a very modest house, lives an expert on Eremophilas, surrounded by his own private herbarium of the genus.  I don&#039;t know what got him started, but there he is.
I think social networking will do things in ways they haven&#039;t done before.  A friend mentioning an idea or passion will lead others to discover it.  Or not -- I don&#039;t find anything alluring in one Facebook friend&#039;s plan to drink 100 shots in 100 minutes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what is going to drive people to learn what they don’t think they need to learn?<br />
You never know what people will get interested in.  In a suburb even less fashionable than mine, in a very modest house, lives an expert on Eremophilas, surrounded by his own private herbarium of the genus.  I don&#8217;t know what got him started, but there he is.<br />
I think social networking will do things in ways they haven&#8217;t done before.  A friend mentioning an idea or passion will lead others to discover it.  Or not &#8212; I don&#8217;t find anything alluring in one Facebook friend&#8217;s plan to drink 100 shots in 100 minutes!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Krawczewicz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Krawczewicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 17:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

You make a great point. Balance, as in many areas, is the key. We owe it to our children and students to open their eyes to many things and let them find their bliss. If we have academic goals to achieve, it might make sense to allow students to follow their current passion while accomplishing other goals such as writing, collaboration, media creation, etc. In a time when technology makes it possible for students to learn so much from so many, it just does not make sense to limit their focus too early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>You make a great point. Balance, as in many areas, is the key. We owe it to our children and students to open their eyes to many things and let them find their bliss. If we have academic goals to achieve, it might make sense to allow students to follow their current passion while accomplishing other goals such as writing, collaboration, media creation, etc. In a time when technology makes it possible for students to learn so much from so many, it just does not make sense to limit their focus too early.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Johnson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2010/motivating-diy-learners/comment-page-1/#comment-82073</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a very interesting post and timely for me: my main professional/personal interest as a teacher right now is the question of motivation...in particular, motivating those &#039;struggling students&#039; 

(I am a Special Education Resource Teacher, I work primarily with struggling students who do not respond well to &#039;the typical school day&#039;. I work with students as young as Gr. 2 (8 yrs old) who I see all ready tuning out and giving up on the school system.)

Some of the ideas I&#039;ve been drawn to in my researches this summer include: using popular culture, multimedia, technology, and the arts (drama, music, art, etc) as well as technology to engage interest. It&#039;s the idea of using material that appeals to interests, strengths, etc. The idea of learning as play. It&#039;s a way to engage and &#039;sneak in&#039; all that &#039;higher/academic learning&#039;. 

The other thing I&#039;ve come across which you allude to here is this whole issue of academic vs. applied learning. I&#039;ve struggling students I work with who are not academically inclined...but are much more responsive to applied/skill/purposeful learning tasks. In some of my readings I&#039;ve come across the idea of merging of the two...try to get at the academic thru applied strategies. Such as effective writing skills through purposeful writing tasks, thru tech, for instance, such as student blogging or classroom discussion forums.

Thx for a great post!

Julie Johnson
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a very interesting post and timely for me: my main professional/personal interest as a teacher right now is the question of motivation&#8230;in particular, motivating those &#8216;struggling students&#8217; </p>
<p>(I am a Special Education Resource Teacher, I work primarily with struggling students who do not respond well to &#8216;the typical school day&#8217;. I work with students as young as Gr. 2 (8 yrs old) who I see all ready tuning out and giving up on the school system.)</p>
<p>Some of the ideas I&#8217;ve been drawn to in my researches this summer include: using popular culture, multimedia, technology, and the arts (drama, music, art, etc) as well as technology to engage interest. It&#8217;s the idea of using material that appeals to interests, strengths, etc. The idea of learning as play. It&#8217;s a way to engage and &#8216;sneak in&#8217; all that &#8216;higher/academic learning&#8217;. </p>
<p>The other thing I&#8217;ve come across which you allude to here is this whole issue of academic vs. applied learning. I&#8217;ve struggling students I work with who are not academically inclined&#8230;but are much more responsive to applied/skill/purposeful learning tasks. In some of my readings I&#8217;ve come across the idea of merging of the two&#8230;try to get at the academic thru applied strategies. Such as effective writing skills through purposeful writing tasks, thru tech, for instance, such as student blogging or classroom discussion forums.</p>
<p>Thx for a great post!</p>
<p>Julie Johnson<br />
betterthanworksheets.com</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Parisi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Parisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to just add a caveat to this conversation.  My concern with passion based learning is that children will not have the exposure to new ideas that they need to discover more passions.  My daughter lived and breathed SpongeBob when she was in 2nd grade. Had her teacher allowed her to study cartooning, creating, and drawing SpongeBob, she would have been thrilled.  But she never would have learned how passionate she is about earth science or astronomy.  She never would have read and loved Shakespeare.  She wouldn&#039;t have learned how to tell time or count money or write in cursive or read.  A teacher&#039;s job is to expand his/her students&#039; horizons.  The world is awfully small for a child, even a high school child.  Letting them work only within their passion keeps it small.

I think there is a place for passion based learning.  It just can&#039;t be the end of the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to just add a caveat to this conversation.  My concern with passion based learning is that children will not have the exposure to new ideas that they need to discover more passions.  My daughter lived and breathed SpongeBob when she was in 2nd grade. Had her teacher allowed her to study cartooning, creating, and drawing SpongeBob, she would have been thrilled.  But she never would have learned how passionate she is about earth science or astronomy.  She never would have read and loved Shakespeare.  She wouldn&#8217;t have learned how to tell time or count money or write in cursive or read.  A teacher&#8217;s job is to expand his/her students&#8217; horizons.  The world is awfully small for a child, even a high school child.  Letting them work only within their passion keeps it small.</p>
<p>I think there is a place for passion based learning.  It just can&#8217;t be the end of the line.</p>
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		<title>By: singapore blogger</title>
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		<dc:creator>singapore blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 07:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my opinion, I think the problem with Learning here is the advances of education and global knowledge. 

You can DIY a 5*7 = 35 or a 1+4 = 5 but how do you DIY a [2(ab-3)(3x+40)]-[59(x-3)]=0?. What we put into education at this age is the summary of the knowledge on the subject since the beginning of human history. You can&#039;t take 5 apples, put it into the equation and hope to get anything out of it. We are stating facts and making students remember it, not teaching them how it came about because it is not efficient to go through the history on the subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my opinion, I think the problem with Learning here is the advances of education and global knowledge. </p>
<p>You can DIY a 5*7 = 35 or a 1+4 = 5 but how do you DIY a [2(ab-3)(3x+40)]-[59(x-3)]=0?. What we put into education at this age is the summary of the knowledge on the subject since the beginning of human history. You can&#8217;t take 5 apples, put it into the equation and hope to get anything out of it. We are stating facts and making students remember it, not teaching them how it came about because it is not efficient to go through the history on the subject.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Montessori method of education fosters DIY learning.  Students are encouraged and allowed to pursue areas of personal interest with the assistance of the teacher.  That is one of the hallmarks of a true Montessori environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Montessori method of education fosters DIY learning.  Students are encouraged and allowed to pursue areas of personal interest with the assistance of the teacher.  That is one of the hallmarks of a true Montessori environment.</p>
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		<title>By: tcomfort</title>
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		<dc:creator>tcomfort</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 00:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is just a great article for me, I have been thinking these thoughts as a classroom teacher for the last 4 years.  Only four as I began my quest to perfect my classroom at that time.  The job has always been to instill wonder in them about something, a lot of our work is still to give engaging lessons to make them want to take it further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is just a great article for me, I have been thinking these thoughts as a classroom teacher for the last 4 years.  Only four as I began my quest to perfect my classroom at that time.  The job has always been to instill wonder in them about something, a lot of our work is still to give engaging lessons to make them want to take it further.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie Carle</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2010/motivating-diy-learners/comment-page-1/#comment-82042</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie Carle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 06:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Will (not Alan), a great point on the importance of passion based learning. I think may of the technologies today can invoke this type of engagement and passion. Here is an example of two adult learners returning to Higher Education discussing some of the frustrations with learning, assessment, technology and life in a UK Educational Network http://cloudworks.ac.uk/cloud/view/4103</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Will (not Alan), a great point on the importance of passion based learning. I think may of the technologies today can invoke this type of engagement and passion. Here is an example of two adult learners returning to Higher Education discussing some of the frustrations with learning, assessment, technology and life in a UK Educational Network <a href="http://cloudworks.ac.uk/cloud/view/4103" rel="nofollow">http://cloudworks.ac.uk/cloud/view/4103</a></p>
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		<title>By: Virginia Petitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia Petitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this the reason for a well-rounded &quot;liberal arts&quot; education? In our national move towards corporate-esque accountability, aka creating better worker bees, we have taken away time for teachers to nurture in their students a love for learning.

As a nation and a society we need to stop worshiping the almighty dollar and focus on the appreciation and support of our children, our communities, our Earth, and culture in general. As the saying goes, &quot;It will be a great day when schools have all the money they need and the military has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this the reason for a well-rounded &#8220;liberal arts&#8221; education? In our national move towards corporate-esque accountability, aka creating better worker bees, we have taken away time for teachers to nurture in their students a love for learning.</p>
<p>As a nation and a society we need to stop worshiping the almighty dollar and focus on the appreciation and support of our children, our communities, our Earth, and culture in general. As the saying goes, &#8220;It will be a great day when schools have all the money they need and the military has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Elaine Wooton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine Wooton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much like your expression &quot;passion-based learning&quot;.  The current educational system absolutely kills passion in many of our children.  They deserve so much more.  At our learning co-op/school, children pursue their own interests - we believe that all pursuits have value.  It&#039;s the adults&#039; issue if they don&#039;t understand what that value is.

The best example is gaming.  I started playing MMORPGs with the kids (after having been annoyed by gaming for a couple of years) and now I totally understand the value of the games.  I learned to delegate, value the abilities of others, and share responsibility by playing an online game - skills I DID NOT HAVE at age 45.  Gaming is the future of education.  Learning to function in complex environments, with long-term goals, where you are more successful (and sometime only successful) if you are collaborative is it.  Sitting alone with a PC with a pair of headphones on your head (like most school computer labs) is NOT IT.

Withholding technology or doling it out as reward for other successes is IDIOCY.  For kids today, their future success is absolutely dependent on their comfort level/ability to fully utilize technology.  To have that, they must have access to today&#039;s tech today.

Thanks for the post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much like your expression &#8220;passion-based learning&#8221;.  The current educational system absolutely kills passion in many of our children.  They deserve so much more.  At our learning co-op/school, children pursue their own interests &#8211; we believe that all pursuits have value.  It&#8217;s the adults&#8217; issue if they don&#8217;t understand what that value is.</p>
<p>The best example is gaming.  I started playing MMORPGs with the kids (after having been annoyed by gaming for a couple of years) and now I totally understand the value of the games.  I learned to delegate, value the abilities of others, and share responsibility by playing an online game &#8211; skills I DID NOT HAVE at age 45.  Gaming is the future of education.  Learning to function in complex environments, with long-term goals, where you are more successful (and sometime only successful) if you are collaborative is it.  Sitting alone with a PC with a pair of headphones on your head (like most school computer labs) is NOT IT.</p>
<p>Withholding technology or doling it out as reward for other successes is IDIOCY.  For kids today, their future success is absolutely dependent on their comfort level/ability to fully utilize technology.  To have that, they must have access to today&#8217;s tech today.</p>
<p>Thanks for the post!</p>
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		<title>By: We don&#8217;t need no education &#171; Viplav Baxi&#8217;s Meanderings</title>
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		<dc:creator>We don&#8217;t need no education &#171; Viplav Baxi&#8217;s Meanderings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 17, 2010 by Viplav Baxi    I was reading with interest Will Richardson&#8217;s Motivating DIY Learners and his links to Alan Levine&#8217;s The Gaping M Shaped Void for DY Education and then following [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is school&#039;s role, no question, to give them a wide berth for learning, exposing our younger kids to all sorts of experiences in art and science and literature and life in general. But we have to let them self-direct a lot of that exploration. We don&#039; nurture that at all, in fact I think we do make kids reliant on us to make those learning decisions for them. It&#039;s frustrating, because that is the culture of teaching; more about teaching than learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is school&#8217;s role, no question, to give them a wide berth for learning, exposing our younger kids to all sorts of experiences in art and science and literature and life in general. But we have to let them self-direct a lot of that exploration. We don&#8217; nurture that at all, in fact I think we do make kids reliant on us to make those learning decisions for them. It&#8217;s frustrating, because that is the culture of teaching; more about teaching than learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 15:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Eric. I wonder if we can&#039;t do more of this throughout schooling, early and late. And I do think the &quot;which skills and which content&quot; question is huge. As a parent, I think I would argue for a lot less that isn&#039;t self-directed interest. In that sense, our roles as teachers need to be all about helping kids identify what it is they need to know and how to make sure the content they do find is relevant, accurate and helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Eric. I wonder if we can&#8217;t do more of this throughout schooling, early and late. And I do think the &#8220;which skills and which content&#8221; question is huge. As a parent, I think I would argue for a lot less that isn&#8217;t self-directed interest. In that sense, our roles as teachers need to be all about helping kids identify what it is they need to know and how to make sure the content they do find is relevant, accurate and helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 14:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey David,

Thanks for the comment. While I think there are times when extrinsic motivations are worth pursuing, my biggest hope is that my own kids will be motivated to learn because they love to learn. Wondering if you&#039;ve read Dan Pink&#039;s new book &quot;Drive&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey David,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. While I think there are times when extrinsic motivations are worth pursuing, my biggest hope is that my own kids will be motivated to learn because they love to learn. Wondering if you&#8217;ve read Dan Pink&#8217;s new book &#8220;Drive&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Radney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, I commented on your blog entry on DIY learning on my own blog (http://thelearningcoach.blogspot.com/2010/07/one-and-many-in-learning.html). I would appreciate more dialog with you on this area of motivation in learning. I think where I am coming from is both constructivist and collectivist, but I would like some additional feedback from you on the ideas I have about a learning community.

Also, I very much appreciated your Open Mic session at PLP last Thursday. I plan to be there as often as I can. Hopefully, many others will join in as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, I commented on your blog entry on DIY learning on my own blog (<a href="http://thelearningcoach.blogspot.com/2010/07/one-and-many-in-learning.html" rel="nofollow">http://thelearningcoach.blogspot.com/2010/07/one-and-many-in-learning.html</a>). I would appreciate more dialog with you on this area of motivation in learning. I think where I am coming from is both constructivist and collectivist, but I would like some additional feedback from you on the ideas I have about a learning community.</p>
<p>Also, I very much appreciated your Open Mic session at PLP last Thursday. I plan to be there as often as I can. Hopefully, many others will join in as well.</p>
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