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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 03:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with  with just about everything you said. I am a veteran teacher of 34 for years and I have seen how slowly our schools have taken to Iget it. With our constant changing world we should have changed a long time ago. I am fortune to be working in a district that is getting it when it comes to technology.Our techers all have lap tops or PCs and are being trained on how to better use this tool to help our students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with  with just about everything you said. I am a veteran teacher of 34 for years and I have seen how slowly our schools have taken to Iget it. With our constant changing world we should have changed a long time ago. I am fortune to be working in a district that is getting it when it comes to technology.Our techers all have lap tops or PCs and are being trained on how to better use this tool to help our students.</p>
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		<title>By: ksteingr</title>
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		<dc:creator>ksteingr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 22:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an important post!  Thanks for bringing it to the table.  In Iowa, we&#039;re trying to decide how to move our schools forward, but somehow we think we can take a lot of the existing school with us.  It can&#039;t be done.  I like how this comment focuses on working with our students - being engaged ourselves.  

So if we are also the learners - what&#039;s different?!
How do we learn?  We don&#039;t go somewhere and &quot;learn&quot; from 8:30 - 3:30.  We read and process, consider, talk to our colleagues, try an experiment.  That is not how schools are structured to work.  We don&#039;t read enough, we don&#039;t discuss enough, we don&#039;t talk (use our phones), or try new things. 

What, then is a &quot;learning day&quot;?  When does it happen?  Where does it happen? 

We can&#039;t still have study hall fourth period, get out of class early to decorate for homecoming, or use the concept of Senior pass to do less that last year.  Why do all students need to attend four years of high school?

We have to think outside the box and that means changing the structure.  Our schools are too closely wedded to schools of the past in structure and organization.

Thanks for challenging us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an important post!  Thanks for bringing it to the table.  In Iowa, we&#8217;re trying to decide how to move our schools forward, but somehow we think we can take a lot of the existing school with us.  It can&#8217;t be done.  I like how this comment focuses on working with our students &#8211; being engaged ourselves.  </p>
<p>So if we are also the learners &#8211; what&#8217;s different?!<br />
How do we learn?  We don&#8217;t go somewhere and &#8220;learn&#8221; from 8:30 &#8211; 3:30.  We read and process, consider, talk to our colleagues, try an experiment.  That is not how schools are structured to work.  We don&#8217;t read enough, we don&#8217;t discuss enough, we don&#8217;t talk (use our phones), or try new things. </p>
<p>What, then is a &#8220;learning day&#8221;?  When does it happen?  Where does it happen? </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t still have study hall fourth period, get out of class early to decorate for homecoming, or use the concept of Senior pass to do less that last year.  Why do all students need to attend four years of high school?</p>
<p>We have to think outside the box and that means changing the structure.  Our schools are too closely wedded to schools of the past in structure and organization.</p>
<p>Thanks for challenging us!</p>
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		<title>By: Langwitches Blog &#187; links for 2009-12-09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Langwitches Blog &#187; links for 2009-12-09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weblogg-ed » What Does “Getting It” Mean, Anyway? One thread that seemed to pop up almost regularly throughout those conversations was the idea of “getting it,” as in how do we help school leaders or teachers or parents “get it” when it comes to understanding the shifts that social learning technologies are bringing about, and which group needs to “get it” most, etc (tags: learning teaching 21stcenturylearning)           &#171; links for 2009-12-08 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Weblogg-ed » What Does “Getting It” Mean, Anyway? One thread that seemed to pop up almost regularly throughout those conversations was the idea of “getting it,” as in how do we help school leaders or teachers or parents “get it” when it comes to understanding the shifts that social learning technologies are bringing about, and which group needs to “get it” most, etc (tags: learning teaching 21stcenturylearning)           &laquo; links for 2009-12-08 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kinney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Kinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 03:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It reminds me of the Dreyfus model of skill acquisition:

1 Novice

rigid adherence to rules
no discretional judgment

2 Advanced beginner

situational perception still limited
all aspects of work are treated separately and given equal importance

3 Competent

coping with crowdedness (multiple activity, information)
now partially sees action as part of longer term goals
conscious, deliberate planning

4 Proficient

holistic view of situation, rather than in terms of aspects
sees what is most important in a situation
uses maxims for guidance, meaning of maxims may vary according to situation

5 Expert

no longer reliant on rules, guidelines, maxims
intuitive grasp of situation, based on tacit knowledge
vision of what is possible

(Source: &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_model_of_skill_acquisition?wasRedirected=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It reminds me of the Dreyfus model of skill acquisition:</p>
<p>1 Novice</p>
<p>rigid adherence to rules<br />
no discretional judgment</p>
<p>2 Advanced beginner</p>
<p>situational perception still limited<br />
all aspects of work are treated separately and given equal importance</p>
<p>3 Competent</p>
<p>coping with crowdedness (multiple activity, information)<br />
now partially sees action as part of longer term goals<br />
conscious, deliberate planning</p>
<p>4 Proficient</p>
<p>holistic view of situation, rather than in terms of aspects<br />
sees what is most important in a situation<br />
uses maxims for guidance, meaning of maxims may vary according to situation</p>
<p>5 Expert</p>
<p>no longer reliant on rules, guidelines, maxims<br />
intuitive grasp of situation, based on tacit knowledge<br />
vision of what is possible</p>
<p>(Source: <a href="http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_model_of_skill_acquisition?wasRedirected=true" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Todd Dumond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd Dumond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think &quot;getting it&quot; means just that, we as a society need to get it.  In reality it&#039;s going to take time for teachers of different generations, students, parents, superintendents, funding, etc. to catch up to where we as a democracy need to evolve inorder to compete in this ever changing global economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;getting it&#8221; means just that, we as a society need to get it.  In reality it&#8217;s going to take time for teachers of different generations, students, parents, superintendents, funding, etc. to catch up to where we as a democracy need to evolve inorder to compete in this ever changing global economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Schaub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Casey Schaub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just while people on this page are discussing rethinking education, there are government officials continuing to discuss the idea of merit pay based on standardized test scores.  I know this thread is concerned with education, but I keep thinking of the state of the current business model.  Can one think outside the box and create a business model for this age of readily available knowledge?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just while people on this page are discussing rethinking education, there are government officials continuing to discuss the idea of merit pay based on standardized test scores.  I know this thread is concerned with education, but I keep thinking of the state of the current business model.  Can one think outside the box and create a business model for this age of readily available knowledge?</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Barber</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/what-does-getting-it-mean-anyway/comment-page-1/#comment-73511</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If only  society embraced the use of technology as a tool to help construct knowledge as much as we seem to embrace the antiquated version of an education model that teaches kids that content is more important than the learning process itself! Society seems tied to a nostalgic &quot;ideal&quot; that never really existed to begin with, &quot;the good old days&quot; of a &quot;factory model form&quot; of education were not so grand either! We need to teach kids to be life-long learners by emphasizing the learning process &amp; skills inherently necessary for them to become successful in life, &amp; quit worshiping standardized test scores as if they were the &quot;gods of learning&quot;, especially when we know that is not true!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If only  society embraced the use of technology as a tool to help construct knowledge as much as we seem to embrace the antiquated version of an education model that teaches kids that content is more important than the learning process itself! Society seems tied to a nostalgic &#8220;ideal&#8221; that never really existed to begin with, &#8220;the good old days&#8221; of a &#8220;factory model form&#8221; of education were not so grand either! We need to teach kids to be life-long learners by emphasizing the learning process &amp; skills inherently necessary for them to become successful in life, &amp; quit worshiping standardized test scores as if they were the &#8220;gods of learning&#8221;, especially when we know that is not true!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenni Schwegler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenni Schwegler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is almost a little scary how much technology is changing our reality and how little some people understand that. As a student intern looking to be a teacher in the next year, I don&#039;t claim to have any real handle on how I want to use technology, but I had to laugh when during one of my Thanksgiving conversations, a teacher of adult classes asked me if my students (sixth graders) know how to type. He sat back and thought about it when I said they basically grew up exploring technology the way that he grew up riding his bike around the neighborhood...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is almost a little scary how much technology is changing our reality and how little some people understand that. As a student intern looking to be a teacher in the next year, I don&#8217;t claim to have any real handle on how I want to use technology, but I had to laugh when during one of my Thanksgiving conversations, a teacher of adult classes asked me if my students (sixth graders) know how to type. He sat back and thought about it when I said they basically grew up exploring technology the way that he grew up riding his bike around the neighborhood&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Farren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Farren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 01:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the smart people at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.neweconomics.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;NEF&lt;/a&gt; grok it. In a paper &lt;a href=&quot;http://neweconomics.org/content/university-challenge&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;University Challenge&lt;/a&gt; &quot;What is worth knowing?&quot; they list:
Seven things every graduate should know:
1. In-depth knowledge of a favourite subject
2. How to apply knowledge
3. What makes a good life
4. How others think
5. How change happens
6. The dynamics of power and influence
7. Global interdependence

Is that &quot;it&quot;? I don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the smart people at <a href="http://www.neweconomics.org" rel="nofollow">NEF</a> grok it. In a paper <a href="http://neweconomics.org/content/university-challenge" rel="nofollow">University Challenge</a> &#8220;What is worth knowing?&#8221; they list:<br />
Seven things every graduate should know:<br />
1. In-depth knowledge of a favourite subject<br />
2. How to apply knowledge<br />
3. What makes a good life<br />
4. How others think<br />
5. How change happens<br />
6. The dynamics of power and influence<br />
7. Global interdependence</p>
<p>Is that &#8220;it&#8221;? I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: ceolaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceolaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 15:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ellen,

I did not say that I have superior intelligence. Rather, I offered a hypothetical that supposed it -- merely for the purposes of the hypothetical. 

Nor did I accuse anything of being a cult. Rather, I warned that that the way that many people talk about this stuff SOUNDS like a cult. I was underlining the importance of being more careful and specific in explaining of &quot;getting it&quot; really means. 

Furthermore, I don&#039;t think that I&#039;ve ever answered something in such a forum with a simple &quot;I don&#039;t think so.&quot; I actually have a very good history of explaining  at length what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ellen,</p>
<p>I did not say that I have superior intelligence. Rather, I offered a hypothetical that supposed it &#8212; merely for the purposes of the hypothetical. </p>
<p>Nor did I accuse anything of being a cult. Rather, I warned that that the way that many people talk about this stuff SOUNDS like a cult. I was underlining the importance of being more careful and specific in explaining of &#8220;getting it&#8221; really means. </p>
<p>Furthermore, I don&#8217;t think that I&#8217;ve ever answered something in such a forum with a simple &#8220;I don&#8217;t think so.&#8221; I actually have a very good history of explaining  at length what I mean.</p>
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		<title>By: Ellen Hrebeniuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ellen Hrebeniuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 02:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ceolaf, my summary of &quot;it&quot; was: the barriers to communicating and collaborating, on any topic and in any medium, are disappearing — the only things you need are internet access and a common language.  I didn&#039;t think this was begging the question.  As I work in TAFE in Australia as a librarian, I tend to think of adult learners and information flow rather than pedagogy.  So yes, I do think it revolutionary that a plumbing student in a remote community can (in theory!) book in work, order materials, check the Builder&#039;s Code of Australia, watch an instructional video, and confer with distant classmates and teachers, and other plumbers, all on one relatively cheap device.  Ten years ago, this wasn&#039;t possible, and twenty years ago, the underlying concepts were in the research stages.

Your superior intelligence, etc, is not displayed when you respond with &quot;I don&#039;t think so&quot; (or worse, &quot;it&#039;s a cult!&quot;) but fail to either explain your reasons or engage with positions like Kobus van Wyk&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ceolaf, my summary of &#8220;it&#8221; was: the barriers to communicating and collaborating, on any topic and in any medium, are disappearing — the only things you need are internet access and a common language.  I didn&#8217;t think this was begging the question.  As I work in TAFE in Australia as a librarian, I tend to think of adult learners and information flow rather than pedagogy.  So yes, I do think it revolutionary that a plumbing student in a remote community can (in theory!) book in work, order materials, check the Builder&#8217;s Code of Australia, watch an instructional video, and confer with distant classmates and teachers, and other plumbers, all on one relatively cheap device.  Ten years ago, this wasn&#8217;t possible, and twenty years ago, the underlying concepts were in the research stages.</p>
<p>Your superior intelligence, etc, is not displayed when you respond with &#8220;I don&#8217;t think so&#8221; (or worse, &#8220;it&#8217;s a cult!&#8221;) but fail to either explain your reasons or engage with positions like Kobus van Wyk&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: the frizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>the frizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems to me that we all become learners in this new world of delivering knowledge, and those who have the research or data behind them and who write the most persuasively and/ or develop learning websites are the ones who will hold the reins which guide the collaborative learners [followers].  We already use websites from Canada and England to deliver knowledge and concepts in our classrooms.  This is where I see the most opportunity to be influential in future education. (Those who make the sites are the new teachers.  We will be the shepherds who lead the sheep there.) It makes me want to develop websites, but I haven&#039;t a clue!  &quot;To the web!&quot; Learn it! Do it!  Share it! 

Districts and State Boards of Education are concerned about integrity of education and &quot;biases&quot; which naturally go undetected by younger children.  They are concerned about what is &quot;out there&quot; on the world wide web (and they are also concerned about hidden agendas &quot;lurking in our own halls&quot; where teachers who do away with textbook delivery of knowledge may push their own bias a little too far or too hard through the sites they choose as well as those they ignore.) Could that be one reason why there is so much talk in some  states about control over state textbooks, and only using textbooks that are approved, rather than going 100% to electronic means of learning? Whoever controls the information controls the minds and eventually the futures of the next generation. Maybe they are the ones who reeeeally &quot;get it&quot; and they are reeeally afraid of it for that very reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that we all become learners in this new world of delivering knowledge, and those who have the research or data behind them and who write the most persuasively and/ or develop learning websites are the ones who will hold the reins which guide the collaborative learners [followers].  We already use websites from Canada and England to deliver knowledge and concepts in our classrooms.  This is where I see the most opportunity to be influential in future education. (Those who make the sites are the new teachers.  We will be the shepherds who lead the sheep there.) It makes me want to develop websites, but I haven&#8217;t a clue!  &#8220;To the web!&#8221; Learn it! Do it!  Share it! </p>
<p>Districts and State Boards of Education are concerned about integrity of education and &#8220;biases&#8221; which naturally go undetected by younger children.  They are concerned about what is &#8220;out there&#8221; on the world wide web (and they are also concerned about hidden agendas &#8220;lurking in our own halls&#8221; where teachers who do away with textbook delivery of knowledge may push their own bias a little too far or too hard through the sites they choose as well as those they ignore.) Could that be one reason why there is so much talk in some  states about control over state textbooks, and only using textbooks that are approved, rather than going 100% to electronic means of learning? Whoever controls the information controls the minds and eventually the futures of the next generation. Maybe they are the ones who reeeeally &#8220;get it&#8221; and they are reeeally afraid of it for that very reason.</p>
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		<title>By: rgres</title>
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		<dc:creator>rgres</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 21:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I just spent the better part of an hour reading the coments about this article. I know I&#039;m at the beginning stages of &quot;getting it&quot; and I can&#039;t help but wonder if I would have better spent the last hour preparing my lessons for the upcoming week in middle school math (which I teach every day), or perhaps I should direct my students to the topic and allow them to learn from each other and others in their social networks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I just spent the better part of an hour reading the coments about this article. I know I&#8217;m at the beginning stages of &#8220;getting it&#8221; and I can&#8217;t help but wonder if I would have better spent the last hour preparing my lessons for the upcoming week in middle school math (which I teach every day), or perhaps I should direct my students to the topic and allow them to learn from each other and others in their social networks.</p>
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		<title>By: ceolaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>ceolaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat,

So here&#039;s my question:

What if someone understands what you mean, or what whomever else else means, but doesn&#039;t agree?

How often do people think that just because someone does not agree with them that that they don&#039;t understand them, as though merely understanding is the best possible argument -- an ironclad and totally persuasive one that?

What is see here are a bunch of ideas, some more specific than others -- none really worked out in terms of ultimate aims, immediate pedagogy and implications for the nature of schooling -- without anyone considering that others might find the vision less compelling than more traditional practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat,</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s my question:</p>
<p>What if someone understands what you mean, or what whomever else else means, but doesn&#8217;t agree?</p>
<p>How often do people think that just because someone does not agree with them that that they don&#8217;t understand them, as though merely understanding is the best possible argument &#8212; an ironclad and totally persuasive one that?</p>
<p>What is see here are a bunch of ideas, some more specific than others &#8212; none really worked out in terms of ultimate aims, immediate pedagogy and implications for the nature of schooling &#8212; without anyone considering that others might find the vision less compelling than more traditional practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Teacher intern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teacher intern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 00:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope &quot;getting it&quot; includes teachers working closely with librarians in school libraries -- or &quot;learning commons,&quot; &quot;libratories,&quot; or whatever they will be called in the future -- as libraries are an ideal resource for helping children pursue their passions and interests in whatever format serves best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope &#8220;getting it&#8221; includes teachers working closely with librarians in school libraries &#8212; or &#8220;learning commons,&#8221; &#8220;libratories,&#8221; or whatever they will be called in the future &#8212; as libraries are an ideal resource for helping children pursue their passions and interests in whatever format serves best.</p>
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