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		<title>By: Social Media Tools for Work &#38; Learning &#187; More About Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social Media Tools for Work &#38; Learning &#187; More About Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I am keenly interested in developing community based solutions for systemic issues within schools.  At one point I partnered with a school board and initiated a community based program within a high school that positively disrupted the school culture. Our goal was to jointly address the disconnect so many young people experience as they go through the school system (resulting in high drop out rates). I see the social web as a force that can bring further positive disruption to the school system. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Shared Space &#171; TransLeadership</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shared Space &#171; TransLeadership</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 02:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] reading.  I was stopped in my tracks when I read Schlechty&#8217;s argument for transformation, something which Will Richardson wrote about in his blog, and literally wrote the word &#8220;WOW&#8221; next to Schlechty&#8217;s comments about [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] reading.  I was stopped in my tracks when I read Schlechty&#8217;s argument for transformation, something which Will Richardson wrote about in his blog, and literally wrote the word &#8220;WOW&#8221; next to Schlechty&#8217;s comments about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Gail P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gail P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jul 2009 13:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel  a bit like someone in on a big secret. When I think of my peers at school and how they haven&#039;t yet connected to the ongoing upheaval, I am amazed to think of all the people in this world in general who are not part of the conversation. Will it take the more traditional approach of f2f PD sessions to bring these folks along to the party? They have a great deal to share. I guess this will all have to become even more user friendly for them to arrive. Casual computer types will need more point and click tools. Things like embedding links, feeling safe commenting, or creating blogs and webpages will need to become even more simple. This has to be part of the upheaval, creating an interface that is as easy as shopping on line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel  a bit like someone in on a big secret. When I think of my peers at school and how they haven&#8217;t yet connected to the ongoing upheaval, I am amazed to think of all the people in this world in general who are not part of the conversation. Will it take the more traditional approach of f2f PD sessions to bring these folks along to the party? They have a great deal to share. I guess this will all have to become even more user friendly for them to arrive. Casual computer types will need more point and click tools. Things like embedding links, feeling safe commenting, or creating blogs and webpages will need to become even more simple. This has to be part of the upheaval, creating an interface that is as easy as shopping on line.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/tinkering-toward-utopia/comment-page-1/#comment-70948</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Tony,

Thanks for chiming in. I think that they key phrase in your comment is about the personalization that kids are &quot;beginning to demand&quot;. It will be interesting to see how quickly that grows, and I wonder if they even know how to demand anything about their own learning. (We&#039;ve turned them into passive learners, as Chris alluded to at Boot Camp.) 

Let us know what you think about the book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Tony,</p>
<p>Thanks for chiming in. I think that they key phrase in your comment is about the personalization that kids are &#8220;beginning to demand&#8221;. It will be interesting to see how quickly that grows, and I wonder if they even know how to demand anything about their own learning. (We&#8217;ve turned them into passive learners, as Chris alluded to at Boot Camp.) </p>
<p>Let us know what you think about the book.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/tinkering-toward-utopia/comment-page-1/#comment-70947</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Nina,

I had dinner with Jenny and others just last night, in fact, and she&#039;s been a great leader in our Powerful Learning Practice work here in Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Nina,</p>
<p>I had dinner with Jenny and others just last night, in fact, and she&#8217;s been a great leader in our Powerful Learning Practice work here in Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/tinkering-toward-utopia/comment-page-1/#comment-70946</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comment, Cheryl. 

I worry about that too, and, having spent a week down here in Melbourne learning about their 1-1 initiatives (which aren&#039;t perfect, btw) it saddens me to see so little effort to put technology into the hands of kids in the States. We&#039;re spending ungodly money on white boards when we could be targeting ways to help kids get access. Makes no sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comment, Cheryl. </p>
<p>I worry about that too, and, having spent a week down here in Melbourne learning about their 1-1 initiatives (which aren&#8217;t perfect, btw) it saddens me to see so little effort to put technology into the hands of kids in the States. We&#8217;re spending ungodly money on white boards when we could be targeting ways to help kids get access. Makes no sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is what learning organizations or communities are all about, right? We are a part of the process of learning with others, and I just don&#039;t think that has been enough of an emphasis in schools or in teacher ed programs or anywhere, for that matter. We do need to model that for one another as much as for our students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is what learning organizations or communities are all about, right? We are a part of the process of learning with others, and I just don&#8217;t think that has been enough of an emphasis in schools or in teacher ed programs or anywhere, for that matter. We do need to model that for one another as much as for our students.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany Blum</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany Blum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 20:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony,
I was interested in your comments about focusing on learning as opposed to simply instructing. I certainly recognized my own method of teaching in your description of instruction-based education. That is how I was taught as a student, that is how I was taught to teach, and that is what I am comfortable with. However, I do understand your point that more is necessary to truly be effective in the classroom. I am currently working on my Master&#039;s degree and watched a DVD presentation by Sonia Nieto in which she mentioned that we are preparing students for jobs that do not currently exist. I was struck by that statement and realized again that simply filling my students&#039; heads with knowledge and skills is not enough to sufficiently prepare them for the future. My question is how do you envision this shift being made in our country&#039;s education system, particularly with the emphasis on standards and the accompanying high-stakes testing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony,<br />
I was interested in your comments about focusing on learning as opposed to simply instructing. I certainly recognized my own method of teaching in your description of instruction-based education. That is how I was taught as a student, that is how I was taught to teach, and that is what I am comfortable with. However, I do understand your point that more is necessary to truly be effective in the classroom. I am currently working on my Master&#8217;s degree and watched a DVD presentation by Sonia Nieto in which she mentioned that we are preparing students for jobs that do not currently exist. I was struck by that statement and realized again that simply filling my students&#8217; heads with knowledge and skills is not enough to sufficiently prepare them for the future. My question is how do you envision this shift being made in our country&#8217;s education system, particularly with the emphasis on standards and the accompanying high-stakes testing?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Baldasaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Baldasaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 17:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Will,

As a Boot Camp participant, I can attest that we did converse about and struggle with not only this concept of teachers as leaders (and leaders as learners), but also with the need to be transparent with that learning process.  Which leads me to my greater point about school, the root of this transformation for me is the shift from what is being taught, to what is being learned.  So often, we as educators focus on the instruction side of the equation.  We review the curriculum, we develop strategies, we plan our lessons and we even assess our students, but how often do we plan for learning?  How often do we stop and assess what is learned for purposes other than to determine a grade for the student?

Schlecty&#039;s quote about changing from &quot;platforms of instructions&quot; to &quot;platforms of learning&quot; hits the to the core of personalization.  Our monolithic (Christensen&#039;s term) structure for public schools doesn&#039;t allow for the personalization and customization that students deserve and are beginning to demand.  As long as we continue to be monoliths we will continue to focus on the most efficient model, which is based on instruction - we are going to teach this and you are going to learn this and whether you have learned it or not, we are going to move on to this.  Once we focus on the learning and truly assessing what kids know and can do, then designing customized instruction and learning plans will allow us to shift from instruction to learning.

I bought the book upon my return from Boot Camp (finished Christensen on the plane home) and am stoked to read it.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Will,</p>
<p>As a Boot Camp participant, I can attest that we did converse about and struggle with not only this concept of teachers as leaders (and leaders as learners), but also with the need to be transparent with that learning process.  Which leads me to my greater point about school, the root of this transformation for me is the shift from what is being taught, to what is being learned.  So often, we as educators focus on the instruction side of the equation.  We review the curriculum, we develop strategies, we plan our lessons and we even assess our students, but how often do we plan for learning?  How often do we stop and assess what is learned for purposes other than to determine a grade for the student?</p>
<p>Schlecty&#8217;s quote about changing from &#8220;platforms of instructions&#8221; to &#8220;platforms of learning&#8221; hits the to the core of personalization.  Our monolithic (Christensen&#8217;s term) structure for public schools doesn&#8217;t allow for the personalization and customization that students deserve and are beginning to demand.  As long as we continue to be monoliths we will continue to focus on the most efficient model, which is based on instruction &#8211; we are going to teach this and you are going to learn this and whether you have learned it or not, we are going to move on to this.  Once we focus on the learning and truly assessing what kids know and can do, then designing customized instruction and learning plans will allow us to shift from instruction to learning.</p>
<p>I bought the book upon my return from Boot Camp (finished Christensen on the plane home) and am stoked to read it.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>By: nina davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>nina davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not in a team as such but have been lucky to have Jenny Luca work we me for the last year. Working with me, so that I can work with others. I&#039;m in a state school, Jenny&#039;s independent, it&#039;s great that we have someome who&#039;s a talented leader and teacher and I stress &#039;working teacher&#039; who will develop others. Do you follow her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in a team as such but have been lucky to have Jenny Luca work we me for the last year. Working with me, so that I can work with others. I&#8217;m in a state school, Jenny&#8217;s independent, it&#8217;s great that we have someome who&#8217;s a talented leader and teacher and I stress &#8216;working teacher&#8217; who will develop others. Do you follow her?</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Graves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a person just dipping my feet into the www and it&#039;s educational uses, my fellow neophytes and I are constantly struggling with, &quot;building our own personal systems of filters and sources that are balanced and open.&quot;   Perhaps that is where the curmudgeonly refusal of my fellow teachers to explore technology comes from:  a sense of being utterly overwhelmed.  I wonder what Thoreau would say about this process of, &quot;building filters and sources that are balanced and open,&quot; or would he just hop in his canoe and paddle away from the whole thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a person just dipping my feet into the www and it&#8217;s educational uses, my fellow neophytes and I are constantly struggling with, &#8220;building our own personal systems of filters and sources that are balanced and open.&#8221;   Perhaps that is where the curmudgeonly refusal of my fellow teachers to explore technology comes from:  a sense of being utterly overwhelmed.  I wonder what Thoreau would say about this process of, &#8220;building filters and sources that are balanced and open,&#8221; or would he just hop in his canoe and paddle away from the whole thing?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 04:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl, 

I think your comments express some understandable, common concerns and an anxiety about technology that is very prevalent among teachers.  Among my own students I find a much higher comfort level with technology than adults, but a wide, wide spectrum of skills.  

As far as the anxiety about the &quot;speed of advancing technology&quot; goes I find that colleagues make remarkable progress with technology when they focus one project at a time, looking for simple, straightforward new tools to make one part of your classroom experience better for your students.  People at my end of the building really took off using Google Docs or Blogger for example.  They didn&#039;t try to learn how to do everything at once, but in significant ways they began encouraging more collaboration and student generated course content.  Not utopia, but pretty cool by my standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl, </p>
<p>I think your comments express some understandable, common concerns and an anxiety about technology that is very prevalent among teachers.  Among my own students I find a much higher comfort level with technology than adults, but a wide, wide spectrum of skills.  </p>
<p>As far as the anxiety about the &#8220;speed of advancing technology&#8221; goes I find that colleagues make remarkable progress with technology when they focus one project at a time, looking for simple, straightforward new tools to make one part of your classroom experience better for your students.  People at my end of the building really took off using Google Docs or Blogger for example.  They didn&#8217;t try to learn how to do everything at once, but in significant ways they began encouraging more collaboration and student generated course content.  Not utopia, but pretty cool by my standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Cheryl Huddleston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl Huddleston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 03:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across this blog as part of course assignment. Many of the comments posted reflect what I have discussed with colleagues over the last few years.  As a teacher who has struggled with the knowledge that education has to change but not quite knowing just how or what that change should be, I am struggling with the speed of advancing technology and the difficulty in trying to learn and understand enough of it to be able to use it with my students. I&#039;m pretty sure that many of them are far ahead of me and often I think I learn more from them than they do from me.  However, I also know that many of my students are being left farther behind than ever because they simply can&#039;t afford the technology that is currently out there.  I am not worried about the next decade or two, I worry about the next three to five years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across this blog as part of course assignment. Many of the comments posted reflect what I have discussed with colleagues over the last few years.  As a teacher who has struggled with the knowledge that education has to change but not quite knowing just how or what that change should be, I am struggling with the speed of advancing technology and the difficulty in trying to learn and understand enough of it to be able to use it with my students. I&#8217;m pretty sure that many of them are far ahead of me and often I think I learn more from them than they do from me.  However, I also know that many of my students are being left farther behind than ever because they simply can&#8217;t afford the technology that is currently out there.  I am not worried about the next decade or two, I worry about the next three to five years.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 13:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will I really enjoy this blog. I have been wrestling with these issues for a good while. We need powerful examples--I would say videos posted on you tube of teachers using technologies in exciting ways to advance student learning--not just to make their lives simpler. The learning part is much harder than it looks and it is hard to describe in books how to implement a really effective way of say using blogs or wikis or signing avatars for that matter. Show us and then don&#039;t ignore the need to post outcomes and generate meaningful information that can show that learning is taking place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will I really enjoy this blog. I have been wrestling with these issues for a good while. We need powerful examples&#8211;I would say videos posted on you tube of teachers using technologies in exciting ways to advance student learning&#8211;not just to make their lives simpler. The learning part is much harder than it looks and it is hard to describe in books how to implement a really effective way of say using blogs or wikis or signing avatars for that matter. Show us and then don&#8217;t ignore the need to post outcomes and generate meaningful information that can show that learning is taking place.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 12:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks for the post.  I&#039;ve found myself thinking about it on and off for the past 24 hours.

But I wish to throw in a caution about speaking of &quot;technologies that make our lives simpler&quot; being insufficient.  Absolutely, its our schools&#039; cultures that need to changed in order to adopt the kind of connected, personalized learning that we want.  But many educators are completely intimidated by the &quot;challenge&quot; of technology tools and are anxious about being so far behind.  From a practical point of view I think one needs to argue that it&#039;s easier to jump into the Read/Write Web than ever.  The tools have been popularized and moving from one to another does not require a computer engineering degree.  

We CAN also insist to our friends and peers that the important tools which will make learning easier for our students, even if we have to stretch ourselves a bit.  Most teachers care enough about the kids to be concerned about giving them the best.  At this point, in most schools the best we can hope for is an environment where experimentation and innovation is encouraged &quot;at the fringes&quot;, providing successful models for enticing other teachers.  

Leaders must work to support (and model) this kind of exploration. Laying out guilt-trips is also quick and easy (and won&#039;t accomplish change).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for the post.  I&#8217;ve found myself thinking about it on and off for the past 24 hours.</p>
<p>But I wish to throw in a caution about speaking of &#8220;technologies that make our lives simpler&#8221; being insufficient.  Absolutely, its our schools&#8217; cultures that need to changed in order to adopt the kind of connected, personalized learning that we want.  But many educators are completely intimidated by the &#8220;challenge&#8221; of technology tools and are anxious about being so far behind.  From a practical point of view I think one needs to argue that it&#8217;s easier to jump into the Read/Write Web than ever.  The tools have been popularized and moving from one to another does not require a computer engineering degree.  </p>
<p>We CAN also insist to our friends and peers that the important tools which will make learning easier for our students, even if we have to stretch ourselves a bit.  Most teachers care enough about the kids to be concerned about giving them the best.  At this point, in most schools the best we can hope for is an environment where experimentation and innovation is encouraged &#8220;at the fringes&#8221;, providing successful models for enticing other teachers.  </p>
<p>Leaders must work to support (and model) this kind of exploration. Laying out guilt-trips is also quick and easy (and won&#8217;t accomplish change).</p>
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