Comments on: Those Who Publish Set the Agenda http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/ Learning with the Read/Write Web Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:36:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Elizabeth Crispino http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65501 Elizabeth Crispino Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:23:36 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65501 Matt, you make a good point. I'm not sure that "set the agenda" is the right phrase. Yes, the creators do have the ability to choose their agenda, and yes, they may shape it, but "the agenda" is still going to fall within the framework of what the audience will listen to. Matt, you make a good point. I’m not sure that “set the agenda” is the right phrase. Yes, the creators do have the ability to choose their agenda, and yes, they may shape it, but “the agenda” is still going to fall within the framework of what the audience will listen to.

]]> By: » OLDaily per Stephen Downes, 17 de febrer de 2009 TIC, E/A, REF / PER…: http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65254 » OLDaily per Stephen Downes, 17 de febrer de 2009 TIC, E/A, REF / PER…: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 00:18:00 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65254 [...] digital Els estudis que es publiquen continuen provocant-me frustracions. Will Richardson assenyala aquest estudi que conclou: “d’acord amb la bibliografia existent, l’activitat [...] [...] digital Els estudis que es publiquen continuen provocant-me frustracions. Will Richardson assenyala aquest estudi que conclou: “d’acord amb la bibliografia existent, l’activitat [...]

]]> By: anais http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65241 anais Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:26:49 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65241 I've been considering this article since I was alerted to it. I do agree with your point; I think that schools and public libraries should embrace the creative point of the web. It shouldn't just focus on facebook/myspace[there is so much more]. I think that children should be taught how to use the web not as a source to access information, but a place to express and discuss issues, thoughts, events, and/or feelings important to them. I feel that at least with my children the school employs technology mostly to feed consumers of web content. It is extremely useful [grade/attendance tracking/school events] but schools should invest some time in allowing kids to explore the blogosphere (among many other similar things) in a constructive/educational manner [though i feel if this happens I might want to chew my own mouth on that]. The website IPL: Internet Public Library has an HTML how-to for kids ;) Yet, seriously, if students of any age would have more interactive experience in education-instead of consuming information, they could create a dialogue to react and express ideas/emotions then would could have a society that doesn't merely consume ads, or "approved" content, but one that has a diverse dialogue stimulating thought rather than stagnation-or the mob movement [hey mabye more people would know who and why they're voting for in their local elections?] I’ve been considering this article since I was alerted to it. I do agree with your point; I think that schools and public libraries should embrace the creative point of the web. It shouldn’t just focus on facebook/myspace[there is so much more]. I think that children should be taught how to use the web not as a source to access information, but a place to express and discuss issues, thoughts, events, and/or feelings important to them. I feel that at least with my children the school employs technology mostly to feed consumers of web content. It is extremely useful [grade/attendance tracking/school events] but schools should invest some time in allowing kids to explore the blogosphere (among many other similar things) in a constructive/educational manner [though i feel if this happens I might want to chew my own mouth on that]. The website IPL: Internet Public Library has an HTML how-to for kids ;)
Yet, seriously, if students of any age would have more interactive experience in education-instead of consuming information, they could create a dialogue to react and express ideas/emotions then would could have a society that doesn’t merely consume ads, or “approved” content, but one that has a diverse dialogue stimulating thought rather than stagnation-or the mob movement [hey mabye more people would know who and why they're voting for in their local elections?]

]]> By: James Rigney http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65239 James Rigney Tue, 17 Feb 2009 19:00:21 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65239 @ Anna I think it depends on the agenda and on the group you're trying to sway. If you're trying to reach tweens/teens then video/movies would be excellent in my opinion (PowerPoint, not so much.) To go back to Will's original post, I work in a lower-socioeconomic achievement area and the article seems dead on: the kids from richer background seem to have a much better understanding of web/communication tools. (This is VERY anecdotal and generalized) I've noticed that in my conversations about implementing blog/RSS/Moodle into my lessons I've heard multiple, almost excessive warnings about guarding my children against what's "out there." Coul fear of the dangers of web communication be a big deterrent for many schools/communities/families, especially lower-income and rural? @ Anna
I think it depends on the agenda and on the group you’re trying to sway. If you’re trying to reach tweens/teens then video/movies would be excellent in my opinion (PowerPoint, not so much.)

To go back to Will’s original post, I work in a lower-socioeconomic achievement area and the article seems dead on: the kids from richer background seem to have a much better understanding of web/communication tools. (This is VERY anecdotal and generalized) I’ve noticed that in my conversations about implementing blog/RSS/Moodle into my lessons I’ve heard multiple, almost excessive warnings about guarding my children against what’s “out there.” Coul fear of the dangers of web communication be a big deterrent for many schools/communities/families, especially lower-income and rural?

]]> By: Stephen Downes http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65236 Stephen Downes Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:40:19 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65236 The authors take pains to represent their sample as diverse and non-biased. However, "We look at the content creation and sharing practices of 1,060 first-year students ... at the University of Illinois, Chicago." Well that's not a random sample at all! How would sharing practices compare for people not attending college? How do they compare in more egalitarian nations such as Canada or Sweden? We cannot draw inferences about the nature of people when the people represented are in a very special circumstance in a very singular culture. The authors take pains to represent their sample as diverse and non-biased. However, “We look at the content creation and sharing practices of 1,060 first-year students … at the University of Illinois, Chicago.” Well that’s not a random sample at all! How would sharing practices compare for people not attending college? How do they compare in more egalitarian nations such as Canada or Sweden? We cannot draw inferences about the nature of people when the people represented are in a very special circumstance in a very singular culture.

]]> By: Matt http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65233 Matt Tue, 17 Feb 2009 18:24:46 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65233 Very interesting information. It reminds me of a dusty old memory I have of a similar situation when it comes to student video production. Students with educated parents tended to get more into writing and directing, children of less educated parents tend more toward the acting. I learned that somewhere, can't remember the context but it seemed true at the time. I question how accurate it is to say that 'those who publish set the agenda' - is it really that easy? Or is what they are publishing enactments of an agenda that was already set before they started publishing? If you publish ideas that are way off from norm then you are crazy so no one listens. Publish ideas that are a little way off norm and then you are eccentric, weird, or otherwise classified as noise that can be disregarded. Yes, this post is saying something important, and yes I agree that we need to educate all our students to join the conversation. But I think it is going too far to say 'those that publish control the agenda'. I suggest that whatever controls the agenda also controls the publishers. Big rewards go to those that prove the dominant agenda true. How else do you explain Fox news? I don't think the producers are setting the agenda, i think there is an agenda that they are trying their best to come up with content to fit. Don't promise me that I will 'control the agenda' if only i know how to podcast or what have you. It's the critical thinking that will set you free. Come up with your own agenda, then excavate it to see if it is really your own agenda. Then you are in control of your own agenda. Very interesting information. It reminds me of a dusty old memory I have of a similar situation when it comes to student video production. Students with educated parents tended to get more into writing and directing, children of less educated parents tend more toward the acting. I learned that somewhere, can’t remember the context but it seemed true at the time.

I question how accurate it is to say that ‘those who publish set the agenda’ – is it really that easy? Or is what they are publishing enactments of an agenda that was already set before they started publishing?

If you publish ideas that are way off from norm then you are crazy so no one listens. Publish ideas that are a little way off norm and then you are eccentric, weird, or otherwise classified as noise that can be disregarded.

Yes, this post is saying something important, and yes I agree that we need to educate all our students to join the conversation. But I think it is going too far to say ‘those that publish control the agenda’. I suggest that whatever controls the agenda also controls the publishers. Big rewards go to those that prove the dominant agenda true.

How else do you explain Fox news? I don’t think the producers are setting the agenda, i think there is an agenda that they are trying their best to come up with content to fit.

Don’t promise me that I will ‘control the agenda’ if only i know how to podcast or what have you.

It’s the critical thinking that will set you free. Come up with your own agenda, then excavate it to see if it is really your own agenda. Then you are in control of your own agenda.

]]> By: Anna http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65227 Anna Tue, 17 Feb 2009 17:05:50 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65227 Been pondering this question, re: my own children, who are much more interested in passive consumption of Internet information (games, YouTube, various websites) than they are in creation. Neither of my kids is especially verbally adept, either spoken or written, and I wonder if that is a big part of it, in addition to their ages (11 & 12). What happens to those for whom written expression is difficult? Are they shut out? Or is the non-verbal (powerpoint, movies) enough for agenda setting? Been pondering this question, re: my own children, who are much more interested in passive consumption of Internet information (games, YouTube, various websites) than they are in creation. Neither of my kids is especially verbally adept, either spoken or written, and I wonder if that is a big part of it, in addition to their ages (11 & 12). What happens to those for whom written expression is difficult? Are they shut out? Or is the non-verbal (powerpoint, movies) enough for agenda setting?

]]> By: James Rigney http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65225 James Rigney Tue, 17 Feb 2009 16:09:15 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65225 I think David is on to something. If anything we (as teachers) should help students see themselves as something more than consumers. I encounter this consumption attitude in my class everyday with students who just want to be fed the information and who despise critical thought. By the way, Will, I finished your book and it was excellent. I think David is on to something. If anything we (as teachers) should help students see themselves as something more than consumers.
I encounter this consumption attitude in my class everyday with students who just want to be fed the information and who despise critical thought.

By the way, Will, I finished your book and it was excellent.

]]> By: A Different Digital Divide? | SCHOOL LIBRARIES: THE STEAK AND THE SIZZLE http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65172 A Different Digital Divide? | SCHOOL LIBRARIES: THE STEAK AND THE SIZZLE Mon, 16 Feb 2009 15:53:14 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65172 [...] a blog posting by Will Richardson “Those Who Publish Set the Agenda” http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/ there is a discussion in a direction I had never thought of before. Those who publish on the Web [...] [...] a blog posting by Will Richardson “Those Who Publish Set the Agenda” http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/ there is a discussion in a direction I had never thought of before. Those who publish on the Web [...]

]]> By: David Warlick http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65093 David Warlick Sat, 14 Feb 2009 21:35:36 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65093 Will, I would suggest that children/adolescents/adults, whose participation in the information environment continues to be limited to info-consumer and who continue to identify themselves as consumers, will be less likely to question or otherwise critically evaluate the information that they encounter. Not good! -- dave -- Will, I would suggest that children/adolescents/adults, whose participation in the information environment continues to be limited to info-consumer and who continue to identify themselves as consumers, will be less likely to question or otherwise critically evaluate the information that they encounter.

Not good!

– dave –

]]> By: Cole http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/those-who-publish-set-the-agenda/comment-page-1/#comment-65073 Cole Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:25:58 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/?p=3101#comment-65073 Hi Will! This is right in the middle of what we've been working towards on our campus -- trying to help faculty understand the value in easy publishing. What I marvel at is how so many people seem to push it aside as being less than important. I wonder when the moment will occur where we all begin to see the power in digital media creation and sharing. Thanks for the pointer, I'll be sure to read the whole piece. Hi Will! This is right in the middle of what we’ve been working towards on our campus — trying to help faculty understand the value in easy publishing. What I marvel at is how so many people seem to push it aside as being less than important. I wonder when the moment will occur where we all begin to see the power in digital media creation and sharing. Thanks for the pointer, I’ll be sure to read the whole piece.

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