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		<title>By: James Rigney</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/just-shoot-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-64930</link>
		<dc:creator>James Rigney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve assigned the persuasive essay and challenged the students to come up with an interesting/provocative topic. I got a few legalize soft drugs essays, but many of the students just fell back onto the school uniform prompt. Some of them said they had it on FCAT before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve assigned the persuasive essay and challenged the students to come up with an interesting/provocative topic. I got a few legalize soft drugs essays, but many of the students just fell back onto the school uniform prompt. Some of them said they had it on FCAT before.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Sheffner</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/just-shoot-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-64844</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the issue of being able to choose your assignment topic: while it&#039;s easy to sympathize with the student in this anecdote, not all students will have a theme they are passionate about, and without guidance many will write boring, irrelevant and poor-quality stuff. (I&#039;ve taught EFL writing for many years). A better teaching strategy might have been to say &quot;pick from this list or use your own idea, but check with me first&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the issue of being able to choose your assignment topic: while it&#8217;s easy to sympathize with the student in this anecdote, not all students will have a theme they are passionate about, and without guidance many will write boring, irrelevant and poor-quality stuff. (I&#8217;ve taught EFL writing for many years). A better teaching strategy might have been to say &#8220;pick from this list or use your own idea, but check with me first&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Sheffner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the link to the Japan Times article about Japan banning cellphone use in schools: &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090108f1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Osaka school mobile ban resonates&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the link to the Japan Times article about Japan banning cellphone use in schools: <a href="http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20090108f1.html" rel="nofollow">Osaka school mobile ban resonates</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marc Sheffner</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/just-shoot-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-64842</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Sheffner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the cell-phone issue: Governor of Osaka, Japan, has been calling for banning cell-phones amongst schoolchildren. &quot;The ban in Osaka comes after a prefectural education committee reported in July that students are spending less time on their studies due to an addiction to cell phones.&quot; Some private high schools already ban cell phones. My son is certainly one of the addicted ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the cell-phone issue: Governor of Osaka, Japan, has been calling for banning cell-phones amongst schoolchildren. &#8220;The ban in Osaka comes after a prefectural education committee reported in July that students are spending less time on their studies due to an addiction to cell phones.&#8221; Some private high schools already ban cell phones. My son is certainly one of the addicted ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Chips</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/just-shoot-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-64598</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Chips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 03:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What age is your daughter, Will? If she&#039;s very young (primary age), it might be that the teacher is trying to limit the choices available so that kids and teacher can share ideas about subject matter; then, the teaching is about the skills of persuasive writing rather than the topic itself. Certainly, I let younger kids choose their own topics if they want to (very few ever do) but insist on it only when they are older.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What age is your daughter, Will? If she&#8217;s very young (primary age), it might be that the teacher is trying to limit the choices available so that kids and teacher can share ideas about subject matter; then, the teaching is about the skills of persuasive writing rather than the topic itself. Certainly, I let younger kids choose their own topics if they want to (very few ever do) but insist on it only when they are older.</p>
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		<title>By: Imagining Better Conversations&#160;&#124;&#160;blog of proximal development</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/just-shoot-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-64021</link>
		<dc:creator>Imagining Better Conversations&#160;&#124;&#160;blog of proximal development</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few days ago Will Richardson shared on his blog a conversation that he&#8217;d had with his daughter. I found his post to be very discouraging and, unfortunately, indicative of what often masquerades [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] few days ago Will Richardson shared on his blog a conversation that he&#8217;d had with his daughter. I found his post to be very discouraging and, unfortunately, indicative of what often masquerades [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/just-shoot-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-63960</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reminds me of Mark Prensky&#039;s article &quot;Engage Me or Enrage Me&quot;. 

He posits that &quot;all the students we teach have something in their lives that’s really engaging— something that they do and that they are good at, something that has an engaging, creative component to it.&quot;

If we&#039;re not engaging kids by allowing them to tap into the things they really care about, we&#039;re missing tons of opportunities to prevent students from tuning out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reminds me of Mark Prensky&#8217;s article &#8220;Engage Me or Enrage Me&#8221;. </p>
<p>He posits that &#8220;all the students we teach have something in their lives that’s really engaging— something that they do and that they are good at, something that has an engaging, creative component to it.&#8221;</p>
<p>If we&#8217;re not engaging kids by allowing them to tap into the things they really care about, we&#8217;re missing tons of opportunities to prevent students from tuning out.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe she should include in her essay that uniforms would not go with her new cell phone or a forced uniform would also force her to limit her choice of a cell phone. Just a thought, I have 2 girls already biting at the bit for a cell phone.  Is it all about fashion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe she should include in her essay that uniforms would not go with her new cell phone or a forced uniform would also force her to limit her choice of a cell phone. Just a thought, I have 2 girls already biting at the bit for a cell phone.  Is it all about fashion?</p>
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		<title>By: Amber Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amber Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugh. The word persuasive essay still gives me nightmares, maybe that&#039;s because they are so fresh in my memory. We seldom got any list to pick from in any of the three high schools I was in though, we were just told what to write about. In grade ten I know for sure it was about capital punishment (pretty sure we did that one in two different classes. I have always wondered how teachers could stand reading the same essay from ten different people (because we all knew what our teachers opinion was by the time we wrote the essay).

Maybe if I&#039;d had a choice about what to write I wouldn&#039;t have hated it so much and would find creative writing (including blogging) much easier, instead of just being good at regurgitating someone elses opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh. The word persuasive essay still gives me nightmares, maybe that&#8217;s because they are so fresh in my memory. We seldom got any list to pick from in any of the three high schools I was in though, we were just told what to write about. In grade ten I know for sure it was about capital punishment (pretty sure we did that one in two different classes. I have always wondered how teachers could stand reading the same essay from ten different people (because we all knew what our teachers opinion was by the time we wrote the essay).</p>
<p>Maybe if I&#8217;d had a choice about what to write I wouldn&#8217;t have hated it so much and would find creative writing (including blogging) much easier, instead of just being good at regurgitating someone elses opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Carleton</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2009/just-shoot-me-now/comment-page-1/#comment-63910</link>
		<dc:creator>Carleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we don&#039;t see in the article is tied to the quote with which I start every parent-teacher conference: 

&quot;I will believe half of what your child tells me about home if you believe half of what your child tells you about me.&quot; 

Please, no posts about abuse or hidden agendas - this statement is made tongue-in-cheek to help parents understand that their angels sometimes exaggerate.
Kids learn to spin from an early age. They know how to make any teacher a monster. 

The article is like those impossible-to-answer math problems - Not Enough Information. 

It is possible that there was a brainstorming session.

It is possible that dozens of great topics were generated.

It is possible that the teacher doesn&#039;t want to read 25 essays about ____(fill in the blank with any number of topics of interest to middle schoolers).

It is possible that the child in question had a choice to pick the topic about getting a cell phone - but being a child, she did not immediately make the connection to her home life.

This last choice is the one that we need to focus on. In education we do very little to relate what happens within the brick walls of the school to what happens in the &quot;real world&quot;. We need to blur these lines so children immediately see the connection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we don&#8217;t see in the article is tied to the quote with which I start every parent-teacher conference: </p>
<p>&#8220;I will believe half of what your child tells me about home if you believe half of what your child tells you about me.&#8221; </p>
<p>Please, no posts about abuse or hidden agendas &#8211; this statement is made tongue-in-cheek to help parents understand that their angels sometimes exaggerate.<br />
Kids learn to spin from an early age. They know how to make any teacher a monster. </p>
<p>The article is like those impossible-to-answer math problems &#8211; Not Enough Information. </p>
<p>It is possible that there was a brainstorming session.</p>
<p>It is possible that dozens of great topics were generated.</p>
<p>It is possible that the teacher doesn&#8217;t want to read 25 essays about ____(fill in the blank with any number of topics of interest to middle schoolers).</p>
<p>It is possible that the child in question had a choice to pick the topic about getting a cell phone &#8211; but being a child, she did not immediately make the connection to her home life.</p>
<p>This last choice is the one that we need to focus on. In education we do very little to relate what happens within the brick walls of the school to what happens in the &#8220;real world&#8221;. We need to blur these lines so children immediately see the connection.</p>
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		<title>By: Em</title>
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		<dc:creator>Em</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 17:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just when you thought education and real life were going to connect....thud. The &quot;I had to choose from a list&quot; barrier rears its ugly head again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just when you thought education and real life were going to connect&#8230;.thud. The &#8220;I had to choose from a list&#8221; barrier rears its ugly head again.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;However, being able to argue any issue from a range of perspectives is a worthwhile skill.&quot;

No, it&#039;s lying and anti-intellectual. It&#039;s the same as companies that lie to customers to sell products; it&#039;s deceptive marketing that willfully ignores important facts. Persuasive writing is an ugly bastion of the real goal: understanding and evaluating opposing viewpoints.

They&#039;re similar, but dangerously so; someone skilled at persuasive writing will probably think themselves a neutral author and a similarly trained reader might naively agree....in actuality, the author is just writing to support their initial hypothesis.

When we talk about the edublogosphere being an echo chamber, that&#039;s because everyone&#039;s writing circles of linked persuasive essays. We should be aiming for well-informed decisions and seeking to understand the logic of those who disagree.

tl;dr: Persuasive essays = &quot;truthiness&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;However, being able to argue any issue from a range of perspectives is a worthwhile skill.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s lying and anti-intellectual. It&#8217;s the same as companies that lie to customers to sell products; it&#8217;s deceptive marketing that willfully ignores important facts. Persuasive writing is an ugly bastion of the real goal: understanding and evaluating opposing viewpoints.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re similar, but dangerously so; someone skilled at persuasive writing will probably think themselves a neutral author and a similarly trained reader might naively agree&#8230;.in actuality, the author is just writing to support their initial hypothesis.</p>
<p>When we talk about the edublogosphere being an echo chamber, that&#8217;s because everyone&#8217;s writing circles of linked persuasive essays. We should be aiming for well-informed decisions and seeking to understand the logic of those who disagree.</p>
<p>tl;dr: Persuasive essays = &#8220;truthiness&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 15:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me, or is the persuasive essay an antique? If you read a persuasive essay (in the style taught to kids) in a magazine, or on a blog, wouldn&#039;t you pretty quickly realize a bias and trust the author that much less?

An education should teach us to weigh as many considerations as possible and not make a choice until you can make a confident, well-informed choice. Encouraging hastily-written persuasive essays that aren&#039;t allowed to evaluate opposing points is pretty clearly in direct opposition to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me, or is the persuasive essay an antique? If you read a persuasive essay (in the style taught to kids) in a magazine, or on a blog, wouldn&#8217;t you pretty quickly realize a bias and trust the author that much less?</p>
<p>An education should teach us to weigh as many considerations as possible and not make a choice until you can make a confident, well-informed choice. Encouraging hastily-written persuasive essays that aren&#8217;t allowed to evaluate opposing points is pretty clearly in direct opposition to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The worst part of this sort of assignment is its coercive nature. One side of the issue is often clearly communicated to kids as being &quot;more correct&quot; than the other.

In other words, the school or teacher&#039;s view on the issue is often clear to kids and then it is rare for them to argue the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The worst part of this sort of assignment is its coercive nature. One side of the issue is often clearly communicated to kids as being &#8220;more correct&#8221; than the other.</p>
<p>In other words, the school or teacher&#8217;s view on the issue is often clear to kids and then it is rare for them to argue the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 03:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, kids should be allowed as much topic and format choice as possible.

However, being able to argue any issue from a range of perspectives is a worthwhile skill.

(I cannot believe that I&#039;m defending this) :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, kids should be allowed as much topic and format choice as possible.</p>
<p>However, being able to argue any issue from a range of perspectives is a worthwhile skill.</p>
<p>(I cannot believe that I&#8217;m defending this) <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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