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		<title>By: mrsdurff</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-51521</link>
		<dc:creator>mrsdurff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it interesting that the first thing that popped into my mind as i read your comment was not teaching. Maybe because i do not view myself as a teacher, but as i tell all those k12 people - we are all learners here.

The first topics that come to mind are brain research, video games &amp; cultural bias. Those topics i find myself &#039;chewing the cud&#039; over and over and......

There needs to be expertise in a community but it doesn&#039;t need to reside in any one person. That is the traditional model of education.

It is a community not a community of practice because the later implies exclusivity. That would only include those on the top of the wrinkles, not those caught in the folds. 

What people caught in the folds learn is a truer indication of community practice (not community &lt;b&gt;of&lt;/b&gt; practice)learning than only skimming it off the top.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it interesting that the first thing that popped into my mind as i read your comment was not teaching. Maybe because i do not view myself as a teacher, but as i tell all those k12 people &#8211; we are all learners here.</p>
<p>The first topics that come to mind are brain research, video games &amp; cultural bias. Those topics i find myself &#8216;chewing the cud&#8217; over and over and&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>There needs to be expertise in a community but it doesn&#8217;t need to reside in any one person. That is the traditional model of education.</p>
<p>It is a community not a community of practice because the later implies exclusivity. That would only include those on the top of the wrinkles, not those caught in the folds. </p>
<p>What people caught in the folds learn is a truer indication of community practice (not community <b>of</b> practice)learning than only skimming it off the top.</p>
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		<title>By: mrsdurff</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-51519</link>
		<dc:creator>mrsdurff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we need a new word? Humans have consumed and created all sorts of content throughout the history of mankind.  Literate activities especially have always been about consuming-which we did when we read Will&#039;s post-and creating-which we are doing as we further the conversation by adding our own words via commenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we need a new word? Humans have consumed and created all sorts of content throughout the history of mankind.  Literate activities especially have always been about consuming-which we did when we read Will&#8217;s post-and creating-which we are doing as we further the conversation by adding our own words via commenting.</p>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50556</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you all who say create, model, and assess in a variety of ways. Carol Foote makes good points.

My course work (online tech class for library degree)crosses into Web 2.0 work. I have scaffolded assignments and written with my students since I began teaching; it&#039;s the way I was taught to teach, and it works. 

I can&#039;t always rely on the book rubrics. I make my own to fit what I create to teach. As long as my rubrics and assignments target state standards, I think I am doing well. I mix these assingments with the ones the books contain and try to strike a happy balance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you all who say create, model, and assess in a variety of ways. Carol Foote makes good points.</p>
<p>My course work (online tech class for library degree)crosses into Web 2.0 work. I have scaffolded assignments and written with my students since I began teaching; it&#8217;s the way I was taught to teach, and it works. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t always rely on the book rubrics. I make my own to fit what I create to teach. As long as my rubrics and assignments target state standards, I think I am doing well. I mix these assingments with the ones the books contain and try to strike a happy balance.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50504</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 17:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely agree that teachers must be co-collaborators with students, and assessed on their ability to create content alongside their students.

However, I believe the paradigm of teacher = expert must shift. Here in NYC this is an easier transition, because we have experts in every field at our disposal. If a student wants to learn about the law, which is more beneficial: me learning basic judicial law, or having him find a lawyer/judge as a mentor?

Why must we continue to confine learning to classrooms? Why can&#039;t students have a whole host of experts from which to draw upon?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely agree that teachers must be co-collaborators with students, and assessed on their ability to create content alongside their students.</p>
<p>However, I believe the paradigm of teacher = expert must shift. Here in NYC this is an easier transition, because we have experts in every field at our disposal. If a student wants to learn about the law, which is more beneficial: me learning basic judicial law, or having him find a lawyer/judge as a mentor?</p>
<p>Why must we continue to confine learning to classrooms? Why can&#8217;t students have a whole host of experts from which to draw upon?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50496</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually think that even &quot;pre-web 2.0&quot; there is value for teachers in producing the same content they are asking students to.

You learn a lot about the merits of an assignment by trying it.  I used to do a lot of the similar projects and assignments that I challenged my students to do, and still do with big projects we do in the library.  I just want to get a feel for the challenges they might face so I can scaffold it better.

So I don&#039;t think this basic concept is out of line, myself.

However, it&#039;s obviously not possible for educators to reproduce every assignment themselves, and I&#039;m not sure about the merits of assessing them &quot;in large part&quot; on this ability.   But I do think it&#039;s maybe an important criteria to add into teacher evaluations over time.

What our systems emphasize, we do.  If our assessments either for our students or our staff stress a certain process or product, those are the things that we know the &quot;system&quot; places import on.

So my question would be are our systems supporting the ends we desire?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually think that even &#8220;pre-web 2.0&#8243; there is value for teachers in producing the same content they are asking students to.</p>
<p>You learn a lot about the merits of an assignment by trying it.  I used to do a lot of the similar projects and assignments that I challenged my students to do, and still do with big projects we do in the library.  I just want to get a feel for the challenges they might face so I can scaffold it better.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think this basic concept is out of line, myself.</p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s obviously not possible for educators to reproduce every assignment themselves, and I&#8217;m not sure about the merits of assessing them &#8220;in large part&#8221; on this ability.   But I do think it&#8217;s maybe an important criteria to add into teacher evaluations over time.</p>
<p>What our systems emphasize, we do.  If our assessments either for our students or our staff stress a certain process or product, those are the things that we know the &#8220;system&#8221; places import on.</p>
<p>So my question would be are our systems supporting the ends we desire?</p>
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		<title>By: Monkeymagic &#187; Not teachers but &#8216;co-learners&#8217;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monkeymagic &#187; Not teachers but &#8216;co-learners&#8217;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 07:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Richardson: &#8220;What if we assessed teachers in large part on their abilities to create and consume content [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Connie</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50446</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 01:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could we look at this technology rationally for a moment? I am learning a lot of it in a class for a library degree. I am also an English teacher with 23 years of teaching behind me. I&#039;m a &quot;produser&quot; but not always a proud user of a lot of the technology. 

I see great uses of some of the things I am learning and not much great use of others. Here are some reasons why.

As a public school teacher in a district that has few computers per students and no real &quot;acceptable use policies&quot; in place for some of the things we&#039;re learning in our classes, I don&#039;t want to spin my wheels uselessly. When the administrators of districts decide this is worth doing, it will become acceptable. That won&#039;t happen if they are not produsers.

Also, I must side with the professor who questions whether we place too much value on expertise in this technology, rather than expertise in our subject matter. 

That said, I find I can use the technology to give me more expert information in my subject area -- and I have done so in the past several years, since the 1990s, in my efforts to &quot;keep up&quot;. It gets harder as one gets older, but I like it, so I will do it.

Unfortunately, there are those younger than I who don&#039;t find it necessary or easy to do when we must use books that keep us tethered. I won&#039;t elaborate on this at this time, but if you work in a school district that has purchased books to remedy the &quot;Chidren Left Behind,&quot; you understand. It&#039;s tough for a lot of teachers to get away from just teaching to their books, and it may not be they&#039;re ideas to do so. It may be mandated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could we look at this technology rationally for a moment? I am learning a lot of it in a class for a library degree. I am also an English teacher with 23 years of teaching behind me. I&#8217;m a &#8220;produser&#8221; but not always a proud user of a lot of the technology. </p>
<p>I see great uses of some of the things I am learning and not much great use of others. Here are some reasons why.</p>
<p>As a public school teacher in a district that has few computers per students and no real &#8220;acceptable use policies&#8221; in place for some of the things we&#8217;re learning in our classes, I don&#8217;t want to spin my wheels uselessly. When the administrators of districts decide this is worth doing, it will become acceptable. That won&#8217;t happen if they are not produsers.</p>
<p>Also, I must side with the professor who questions whether we place too much value on expertise in this technology, rather than expertise in our subject matter. </p>
<p>That said, I find I can use the technology to give me more expert information in my subject area &#8212; and I have done so in the past several years, since the 1990s, in my efforts to &#8220;keep up&#8221;. It gets harder as one gets older, but I like it, so I will do it.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, there are those younger than I who don&#8217;t find it necessary or easy to do when we must use books that keep us tethered. I won&#8217;t elaborate on this at this time, but if you work in a school district that has purchased books to remedy the &#8220;Chidren Left Behind,&#8221; you understand. It&#8217;s tough for a lot of teachers to get away from just teaching to their books, and it may not be they&#8217;re ideas to do so. It may be mandated.</p>
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		<title>By: Britt Watwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Britt Watwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had trouble with Gary&#039;s comment too.  My blog post about it here - http://tinyurl.com/4uzo3h</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had trouble with Gary&#8217;s comment too.  My blog post about it here &#8211; <a href="http://tinyurl.com/4uzo3h" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/4uzo3h</a></p>
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		<title>By: Expert versus Paradigm Learning &#124; Learning In a Flat World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expert versus Paradigm Learning &#124; Learning In a Flat World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 21:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to online education. However, he made some comments in Will Richardson&#8217;s blog posting &#8220;Redefining Teachers as Experts&#8221; that caused at a minimum raised eyebrows in this old [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to online education. However, he made some comments in Will Richardson&#8217;s blog posting &#8220;Redefining Teachers as Experts&#8221; that caused at a minimum raised eyebrows in this old [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Marchetto</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50384</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Marchetto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 16:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made a much longer post to this at my own site, www.explodingbeakers.blogspot.com, but I think the produsage term needs to be conceptualized beyond simple Web 2.0 tools. Teachers need to be seen as experts not just in education, but in their subject fields, much in the way that music, arts, and phys. ed. teachers often manage to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made a much longer post to this at my own site, <a href="http://www.explodingbeakers.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.explodingbeakers.blogspot.com</a>, but I think the produsage term needs to be conceptualized beyond simple Web 2.0 tools. Teachers need to be seen as experts not just in education, but in their subject fields, much in the way that music, arts, and phys. ed. teachers often manage to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Britt Watwood</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50377</link>
		<dc:creator>Britt Watwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 15:36:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several interesting threads running through this post and the comments - 32 comments in 18 hours suggests a level of interest in and of itself.  

I loved Gary and Sheryl&#039;s comments on community of practice...and see my teaching practice impacted by the connections I have made through blogging and twittering.  Gary&#039;s comments about elevating or even leveling the status of newbies is troubling in that it smacks of status quo in a very dynamic world.  Tom Friedman may not have gotten it all right in THE FLAT WORLD, but he was right that the internet changed everything and leveled the business world.  Is it not possible that this same interconnectiveness (did I just make a word up?) is impacting education too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several interesting threads running through this post and the comments &#8211; 32 comments in 18 hours suggests a level of interest in and of itself.  </p>
<p>I loved Gary and Sheryl&#8217;s comments on community of practice&#8230;and see my teaching practice impacted by the connections I have made through blogging and twittering.  Gary&#8217;s comments about elevating or even leveling the status of newbies is troubling in that it smacks of status quo in a very dynamic world.  Tom Friedman may not have gotten it all right in THE FLAT WORLD, but he was right that the internet changed everything and leveled the business world.  Is it not possible that this same interconnectiveness (did I just make a word up?) is impacting education too?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheryl Nussbaum-Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang- I am in strong agreement with everything you say here Gary. First, you nailed it with the CoP reference rather than just community. Situated learning is about knowing who has expertise -in which area - and benefiting from the collective wisdom in your situated community.

Also, I think what is lacking is transparency in education  not only for our students but for other teachers. If more teachers would see their interactions as part of an apprenticeship model and thoughtfully talk about what they know/do and why/how they know/do it, then others could more readily gain ownership of the ideas, strategies and practice and in the end kids would benefit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang- I am in strong agreement with everything you say here Gary. First, you nailed it with the CoP reference rather than just community. Situated learning is about knowing who has expertise -in which area &#8211; and benefiting from the collective wisdom in your situated community.</p>
<p>Also, I think what is lacking is transparency in education  not only for our students but for other teachers. If more teachers would see their interactions as part of an apprenticeship model and thoughtfully talk about what they know/do and why/how they know/do it, then others could more readily gain ownership of the ideas, strategies and practice and in the end kids would benefit.</p>
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		<title>By: cathyinoz</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50303</link>
		<dc:creator>cathyinoz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 08:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds to me like a call for a bit of &#039;practice what you preach&#039; and that is quite different from &#039;publish or perish&#039; -- it&#039;s the difference between theory and practice. 

And if as an educator one isn&#039;t practiced in one&#039;s area but only able to direct others I don&#039;t see that as expertise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds to me like a call for a bit of &#8216;practice what you preach&#8217; and that is quite different from &#8216;publish or perish&#8217; &#8212; it&#8217;s the difference between theory and practice. </p>
<p>And if as an educator one isn&#8217;t practiced in one&#8217;s area but only able to direct others I don&#8217;t see that as expertise.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I continue to have the good fortune of learning from some produser students who help to remind me why life-long learning is so important.  My learning leadership is constantly improved by their passion and willingness to engage in creative collaboration.  I&#039;m one of those newbies when it comes to Web 2.0 but I&#039;m so excited about learning and becoming a produser!  Much to learn from the many experts who respond o tWill&#039;s inspiring and challenging posts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to have the good fortune of learning from some produser students who help to remind me why life-long learning is so important.  My learning leadership is constantly improved by their passion and willingness to engage in creative collaboration.  I&#8217;m one of those newbies when it comes to Web 2.0 but I&#8217;m so excited about learning and becoming a produser!  Much to learn from the many experts who respond o tWill&#8217;s inspiring and challenging posts!</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/redefining-teachers-as-experts/comment-page-1/#comment-50238</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 02:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lisa. Great questions. I think I&#039;m leaning to answering &quot;yes&quot; to the teacher one. And I think if the answer is that they should produce digital content, then they should have to in order to be seen as master teachers in this environment. I think...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lisa. Great questions. I think I&#8217;m leaning to answering &#8220;yes&#8221; to the teacher one. And I think if the answer is that they should produce digital content, then they should have to in order to be seen as master teachers in this environment. I think&#8230;</p>
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