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		<title>By: Fionn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fionn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 23:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This posting strikes a chord for me in the midst of once again giving away a library, a few thousand books, a bit at a time at school to students, teachers, the school library, and then other books given away to others and to the town library.  It&#039;s the fourth library i&#039;ve given away. But with books piled all around at home, triple shelved then stacked on the floor, and others at school, it&#039;s clear it&#039;s time to give all away and begin afresh and again.  

And i love the sentence, &quot;The pursuit of knowledge in the age of information overload is less about a process of acquisition than about proficiency in tossing stuff out.&quot;  Yes indeed!  This is true for my AP students as well as my regular students, that they are not good editors to toss &quot;stuff out&quot;.  The dire thing here is that when they don&#039;t know what to toss out, then, with too much to figure, they fall back on what they already know, hear at the dinner table, remember from 5th grade.  

The flood of information causes our students to regress in understanding, in imagination, in moral and critical awareness.  We know that being overwhelmed causes regression, and we&#039;ve all experienced that.  

Why, then, not realize that this is the effect on most students now with the information overload?  There is no lack of psychological critique of the internet, but none of that do i find much incorporated in the edublog sort of sites.  It&#039;s all so &quot;upward and onward&quot;.  That is a fantasy and a wish of our adult investment in the internet, in the &quot;new world&quot;, that we ask our kids more and more to bear.  I think some psychological and moral evaluation of that might be good.  

Anyway, i do think this notion of the editorial and educational expertise we need to teach is NOT to learn something, but to learn what to throw away.  That is, of course, a terrible situation, utterly negative, to be in.  We do not like political candidates, news reporters, teachers or preachers or spouses or children to be negative, to be critical, we want positive and...  But thanks to the flood of info the greatest virture for intelligent use with the internet may be negative as this post suggests.  

If this is so then we are, pehaps, making a great psychological and sociological shift to the individual as the focus of critical intelligence.  That seems to go dead against the whole hoopla about &quot;connection&quot; -- but, in these days of flu and worse, &quot;connection&quot; worldwide does not seem entirely a good thing.  

A critical evaluation of the varieties of &quot;connection&quot; and in education all seem to me to be called for.  And there&#039;s lots and lots to toss out.  It would, however, be sad to me to find that the best thing we can teach our children is what to throw away.  

A good challenge in this blog that i want to consider far further, and thanks to Will and all the commentators for company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This posting strikes a chord for me in the midst of once again giving away a library, a few thousand books, a bit at a time at school to students, teachers, the school library, and then other books given away to others and to the town library.  It&#8217;s the fourth library i&#8217;ve given away. But with books piled all around at home, triple shelved then stacked on the floor, and others at school, it&#8217;s clear it&#8217;s time to give all away and begin afresh and again.  </p>
<p>And i love the sentence, &#8220;The pursuit of knowledge in the age of information overload is less about a process of acquisition than about proficiency in tossing stuff out.&#8221;  Yes indeed!  This is true for my AP students as well as my regular students, that they are not good editors to toss &#8220;stuff out&#8221;.  The dire thing here is that when they don&#8217;t know what to toss out, then, with too much to figure, they fall back on what they already know, hear at the dinner table, remember from 5th grade.  </p>
<p>The flood of information causes our students to regress in understanding, in imagination, in moral and critical awareness.  We know that being overwhelmed causes regression, and we&#8217;ve all experienced that.  </p>
<p>Why, then, not realize that this is the effect on most students now with the information overload?  There is no lack of psychological critique of the internet, but none of that do i find much incorporated in the edublog sort of sites.  It&#8217;s all so &#8220;upward and onward&#8221;.  That is a fantasy and a wish of our adult investment in the internet, in the &#8220;new world&#8221;, that we ask our kids more and more to bear.  I think some psychological and moral evaluation of that might be good.  </p>
<p>Anyway, i do think this notion of the editorial and educational expertise we need to teach is NOT to learn something, but to learn what to throw away.  That is, of course, a terrible situation, utterly negative, to be in.  We do not like political candidates, news reporters, teachers or preachers or spouses or children to be negative, to be critical, we want positive and&#8230;  But thanks to the flood of info the greatest virture for intelligent use with the internet may be negative as this post suggests.  </p>
<p>If this is so then we are, pehaps, making a great psychological and sociological shift to the individual as the focus of critical intelligence.  That seems to go dead against the whole hoopla about &#8220;connection&#8221; &#8212; but, in these days of flu and worse, &#8220;connection&#8221; worldwide does not seem entirely a good thing.  </p>
<p>A critical evaluation of the varieties of &#8220;connection&#8221; and in education all seem to me to be called for.  And there&#8217;s lots and lots to toss out.  It would, however, be sad to me to find that the best thing we can teach our children is what to throw away.  </p>
<p>A good challenge in this blog that i want to consider far further, and thanks to Will and all the commentators for company.</p>
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		<title>By: Elsebeth Hurup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elsebeth Hurup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read constantly and have done so since the very first time I cracked the code back in 1961. I’m excited about the 24-hour access to information and knowledge that the Internet affords me, and I hope to stick around until I’m about 120 (provided my stash of marbles stays reasonably intact). Even so, I’m also suffering from the symptoms that many of you describe – too much to read, not enough time. But this is a problem I have to find a way to deal with on my own.

What I see as a more pressing problem in my daily work as an English teacher at a college of education in Denmark is the number of students I have met over the past ten years who are not interested in reading. To be fair, many of my students do read and take great pleasure in it. These students can be counted on to hand in thoughtful and interesting assignments and to give valuable contributions to class discussions. They know stuff, and they know how to communicate their knowledge and insights.

But the number of students who don’t read on a regular basis seems to be increasing, and it’s a mystery to me how people who want to be teachers can be so disinterested in what must be (am I wrong?) the very basis for learning. I try to point them in directions that have relevance for their future teaching careers, one of which is their own proficiency in English as a foreign language: how about reading something – in English - on the teaching of English? How about following blogs on education? How about reading one of the English-language newpapers on the Internet to stay on top of what’s going on in education, in a particular country/region, in movies, in literature? The list is endless. 

So far I have failed. They read what they have to read for class, but we can only cover so much ground. The result is that when we’re discussing lesson planning, for example, they come up with ideas for activities, themes and texts that are practically indistinguishable from those used when they themselves went to school. They have no idea of what’s going on out there in the world; consequently they don’t know how to connect activities in the classroom to the outside world. And the inertia and conservatism among school teachers that many comment on in blogs on education will continue to flourish unless we can instill in our future teachers a passion for learning, exploration, innovation and – not least – critical thinking. 

So seen from my corner of the educational system, the problem about getting kids to read is not merely one of helping individuals to lead fuller lives as informed citizens in the twenty-first century; it’s one that – if it goes unsolved – has the potential to undermine the educational system from within: some of the non-readers wind up as school teachers. How can they  help their students to see that reading is the be-all and end-all of the Information Age?

Oh well, I&#039;ll try again with the next batch of students. Right now those I have are getting wound up for exams in June, so they don&#039;t have the time to - read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read constantly and have done so since the very first time I cracked the code back in 1961. I’m excited about the 24-hour access to information and knowledge that the Internet affords me, and I hope to stick around until I’m about 120 (provided my stash of marbles stays reasonably intact). Even so, I’m also suffering from the symptoms that many of you describe – too much to read, not enough time. But this is a problem I have to find a way to deal with on my own.</p>
<p>What I see as a more pressing problem in my daily work as an English teacher at a college of education in Denmark is the number of students I have met over the past ten years who are not interested in reading. To be fair, many of my students do read and take great pleasure in it. These students can be counted on to hand in thoughtful and interesting assignments and to give valuable contributions to class discussions. They know stuff, and they know how to communicate their knowledge and insights.</p>
<p>But the number of students who don’t read on a regular basis seems to be increasing, and it’s a mystery to me how people who want to be teachers can be so disinterested in what must be (am I wrong?) the very basis for learning. I try to point them in directions that have relevance for their future teaching careers, one of which is their own proficiency in English as a foreign language: how about reading something – in English &#8211; on the teaching of English? How about following blogs on education? How about reading one of the English-language newpapers on the Internet to stay on top of what’s going on in education, in a particular country/region, in movies, in literature? The list is endless. </p>
<p>So far I have failed. They read what they have to read for class, but we can only cover so much ground. The result is that when we’re discussing lesson planning, for example, they come up with ideas for activities, themes and texts that are practically indistinguishable from those used when they themselves went to school. They have no idea of what’s going on out there in the world; consequently they don’t know how to connect activities in the classroom to the outside world. And the inertia and conservatism among school teachers that many comment on in blogs on education will continue to flourish unless we can instill in our future teachers a passion for learning, exploration, innovation and – not least – critical thinking. </p>
<p>So seen from my corner of the educational system, the problem about getting kids to read is not merely one of helping individuals to lead fuller lives as informed citizens in the twenty-first century; it’s one that – if it goes unsolved – has the potential to undermine the educational system from within: some of the non-readers wind up as school teachers. How can they  help their students to see that reading is the be-all and end-all of the Information Age?</p>
<p>Oh well, I&#8217;ll try again with the next batch of students. Right now those I have are getting wound up for exams in June, so they don&#8217;t have the time to &#8211; read.</p>
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		<title>By: Sue King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:28:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A P.S. to the above - 

I just finished watching a TED video of Patrick Awuah talking about leadership and his work at Asseshi University in Ghana:
 &quot;We must believe that these kids are smart; that if we engage them in their education; if we have them discuss the real issues; if we give them skills to engage the real world - that magic will happen.&quot; 
And the student responses: &quot;I AM THINKING NOW&quot; and &quot;CAN WE CREATE A PERFECT SOCIETY&quot; - by creating an honor code - creating a good society - and the understanding on the part of the students that they have the power to create it.

THE POINT - 
First: I came across this by my reading of blogs (Christian Long&#039;s in this case). 
Second: Education = developing leadership = serving humanity

That says it all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A P.S. to the above &#8211; </p>
<p>I just finished watching a TED video of Patrick Awuah talking about leadership and his work at Asseshi University in Ghana:<br />
 &#8220;We must believe that these kids are smart; that if we engage them in their education; if we have them discuss the real issues; if we give them skills to engage the real world &#8211; that magic will happen.&#8221;<br />
And the student responses: &#8220;I AM THINKING NOW&#8221; and &#8220;CAN WE CREATE A PERFECT SOCIETY&#8221; &#8211; by creating an honor code &#8211; creating a good society &#8211; and the understanding on the part of the students that they have the power to create it.</p>
<p>THE POINT &#8211;<br />
First: I came across this by my reading of blogs (Christian Long&#8217;s in this case).<br />
Second: Education = developing leadership = serving humanity</p>
<p>That says it all!</p>
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		<title>By: Sue King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this post a few days ago and wanted to comment. I came back to it this morning because this is the time  when I allow myself time for quiet reflection. I have read through all the comments and am not quite sure how to succinctly give my perspective as a principal in a &#039;high-performing&#039; district where a vast majority are focused on kids getting in to prominent colleges and as a parent of 2 young adults who by and large love to learn, but hated school. I have a daughter who is pursuing a Mastrers in journalism who is a voracious reader - both fiction and non-fiction. Little of her love for reading grew from or was valued when she was in her K- 12 schooling. I have a son who graduated with a degree in History, is selling Toyotas now, his passion is poker, and he loves to read about history - primarily about the historical development of nations currently experiencig great unrest. His loathing of school (K - 12 especially) was far greater than my daughers. All of that to say . . . I think the bigger issue than reading or not reading is schooling in general, thinking, and most improtantly, perhaps, developing thoughtful, passionate thinkers in school who care about something enough to want to learn about it - be it through reading, writing, communicating . . . testig aside - schools must be about more than preparation. Kids need to learn to care about something, to be connected to something, to be willing to think deeply about something. Our students just completed a survey about bullying - one of the most alarming resposes - 45% of the boys (6 - 8) and 32% of the girls were either neutral about or disliked school. At the high school, that rose to 50% for both groups. Kids spend way too much time in school to not have no feelings about it or to have negative feelings about it! To me - that is the bigger issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this post a few days ago and wanted to comment. I came back to it this morning because this is the time  when I allow myself time for quiet reflection. I have read through all the comments and am not quite sure how to succinctly give my perspective as a principal in a &#8216;high-performing&#8217; district where a vast majority are focused on kids getting in to prominent colleges and as a parent of 2 young adults who by and large love to learn, but hated school. I have a daughter who is pursuing a Mastrers in journalism who is a voracious reader &#8211; both fiction and non-fiction. Little of her love for reading grew from or was valued when she was in her K- 12 schooling. I have a son who graduated with a degree in History, is selling Toyotas now, his passion is poker, and he loves to read about history &#8211; primarily about the historical development of nations currently experiencig great unrest. His loathing of school (K &#8211; 12 especially) was far greater than my daughers. All of that to say . . . I think the bigger issue than reading or not reading is schooling in general, thinking, and most improtantly, perhaps, developing thoughtful, passionate thinkers in school who care about something enough to want to learn about it &#8211; be it through reading, writing, communicating . . . testig aside &#8211; schools must be about more than preparation. Kids need to learn to care about something, to be connected to something, to be willing to think deeply about something. Our students just completed a survey about bullying &#8211; one of the most alarming resposes &#8211; 45% of the boys (6 &#8211; <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> and 32% of the girls were either neutral about or disliked school. At the high school, that rose to 50% for both groups. Kids spend way too much time in school to not have no feelings about it or to have negative feelings about it! To me &#8211; that is the bigger issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 19:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Will, you really struck a chord here. I obviously don&#039;t keep up on my blog reading - note the date here. I teach 1st adn 2nd graders and see reading as independence and tell them this. Once they can read, they aren&#039;t dependent on others for their learning. When I taught 5th graders I learned to give them the freedom to really hate a book they read, and to give it about 50 pages, then put it down if they don&#039;t like it! Barring, of course, the lovely required reading. Once they had that freedom, and realized their book reviews could express their own views and not necessarily that of their educator, they enjoyed it much more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Will, you really struck a chord here. I obviously don&#8217;t keep up on my blog reading &#8211; note the date here. I teach 1st adn 2nd graders and see reading as independence and tell them this. Once they can read, they aren&#8217;t dependent on others for their learning. When I taught 5th graders I learned to give them the freedom to really hate a book they read, and to give it about 50 pages, then put it down if they don&#8217;t like it! Barring, of course, the lovely required reading. Once they had that freedom, and realized their book reviews could express their own views and not necessarily that of their educator, they enjoyed it much more.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Tim here. If the post is too long it won&#039;t get read. I skim what about 80% as well.  I&#039;ve been trying to spend more time reading physical books more and more and learn how others are doing the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Tim here. If the post is too long it won&#8217;t get read. I skim what about 80% as well.  I&#8217;ve been trying to spend more time reading physical books more and more and learn how others are doing the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Osteen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Osteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,
Thanks for bringing this to light. I teach Language Arts and, therefore, feel a need to weigh in on this reading issue. Year after year I have students come to me who say they don&#039;t like to read. Gradually, throughout the school year, I see one kid at a time get excited about something he/she is reading. Last year, I had a student say to me the first day of school, &quot;Mrs. Osteen, I don&#039;t like to read and you won&#039;t be able to get me to like to read. I&#039;m just warning you.&quot; Then by Thanksgiving he was coming by the room asking if he could spend his lunch time in there because the cafeteria was too noisy and he was at a good part in his book. :)

I think the difference could be that he had the freedom to choose what he wanted to read for my class. It&#039;s a simple equation: to become a better reader, you read, and the more you read, the more you enjoy it. However, that only works if you are reading something that you are interested in.

I, too, skim entries in my blog reader to determine those I want to go back and spend more in-depth time with. I am looking for those relevant entries - things that might resonate with me or provide some insights for my work. I don&#039;t feel guilty about that at all. That&#039;s a skill: scanning, determining relevance and deciphering value. If I don&#039;t read your blog post on any given day, don&#039;t take offense. Rather, realize that even for me to have your RSS feed in my aggregator is a compliment to what you have provided through your blog. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,<br />
Thanks for bringing this to light. I teach Language Arts and, therefore, feel a need to weigh in on this reading issue. Year after year I have students come to me who say they don&#8217;t like to read. Gradually, throughout the school year, I see one kid at a time get excited about something he/she is reading. Last year, I had a student say to me the first day of school, &#8220;Mrs. Osteen, I don&#8217;t like to read and you won&#8217;t be able to get me to like to read. I&#8217;m just warning you.&#8221; Then by Thanksgiving he was coming by the room asking if he could spend his lunch time in there because the cafeteria was too noisy and he was at a good part in his book. <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I think the difference could be that he had the freedom to choose what he wanted to read for my class. It&#8217;s a simple equation: to become a better reader, you read, and the more you read, the more you enjoy it. However, that only works if you are reading something that you are interested in.</p>
<p>I, too, skim entries in my blog reader to determine those I want to go back and spend more in-depth time with. I am looking for those relevant entries &#8211; things that might resonate with me or provide some insights for my work. I don&#8217;t feel guilty about that at all. That&#8217;s a skill: scanning, determining relevance and deciphering value. If I don&#8217;t read your blog post on any given day, don&#8217;t take offense. Rather, realize that even for me to have your RSS feed in my aggregator is a compliment to what you have provided through your blog. <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Noah Arney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noah Arney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every day I build in 15 min of silent reading.  Students are allowed to read whatever they want as long as it is in English, is not a newspaper, and is not a textbook.  If I have a choice between cutting silent reading and cutting any other part of the lesson, the silent reading almost always stays.

What it comes down to is that if nothing else, if they go from school to work to homework to sleep and then back to school, if reading is not encouraged in their home, regardless of anything else, my students will have 15 min of reading every single day.

Also, in refrence to those who think one reason students don&#039;t read is that they don&#039;t enjoy the book.  I may be lucky up here in BC.  As of a few years ago there are no recommended books.  You can have your class read anything that you want, with the permission of your school and now and then the district, as long as your students learn the same things.  The book is not the curriculum, it is what you examine while teaching the curriculum.

A friend of mine is teaching &quot;Ender&#039;s Game&quot; this semester, another is teaching &quot;Obasan&quot;.  I&#039;m teaching &quot;Animal Farm&quot; as a way to help them examine the means and reasons for propaganda and rhetoric.

I feel that when choosing a novel for your students you should always ask the question &quot;Why?&quot;

If you feel that students don&#039;t have enough time to stop and read in their lives, then give them that time in your classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every day I build in 15 min of silent reading.  Students are allowed to read whatever they want as long as it is in English, is not a newspaper, and is not a textbook.  If I have a choice between cutting silent reading and cutting any other part of the lesson, the silent reading almost always stays.</p>
<p>What it comes down to is that if nothing else, if they go from school to work to homework to sleep and then back to school, if reading is not encouraged in their home, regardless of anything else, my students will have 15 min of reading every single day.</p>
<p>Also, in refrence to those who think one reason students don&#8217;t read is that they don&#8217;t enjoy the book.  I may be lucky up here in BC.  As of a few years ago there are no recommended books.  You can have your class read anything that you want, with the permission of your school and now and then the district, as long as your students learn the same things.  The book is not the curriculum, it is what you examine while teaching the curriculum.</p>
<p>A friend of mine is teaching &#8220;Ender&#8217;s Game&#8221; this semester, another is teaching &#8220;Obasan&#8221;.  I&#8217;m teaching &#8220;Animal Farm&#8221; as a way to help them examine the means and reasons for propaganda and rhetoric.</p>
<p>I feel that when choosing a novel for your students you should always ask the question &#8220;Why?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you feel that students don&#8217;t have enough time to stop and read in their lives, then give them that time in your classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, I think it&#039;s simplistic to say he blames it on testing. I think he&#039;s saying that testing is a barrier to engaging kids in the process of reading. But that&#039;s not all of it. But I do agree that reading for pleasure is not a part of the school culture. Reading for pleasure is something kids should be seeing from their teachers, parents, everyone.

Now, about your attack on blogging. (HERESY!) Just because I skim it doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t have depth or quality. Most likely it&#039;s because it doesn&#039;t have RELEVANCE. I think you border on committing the same faulty logic that you feel the essayist does. Blogging is no doubt a superior communications medium. ;0)

Thanks for the comments, as always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, I think it&#8217;s simplistic to say he blames it on testing. I think he&#8217;s saying that testing is a barrier to engaging kids in the process of reading. But that&#8217;s not all of it. But I do agree that reading for pleasure is not a part of the school culture. Reading for pleasure is something kids should be seeing from their teachers, parents, everyone.</p>
<p>Now, about your attack on blogging. (HERESY!) Just because I skim it doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t have depth or quality. Most likely it&#8217;s because it doesn&#8217;t have RELEVANCE. I think you border on committing the same faulty logic that you feel the essayist does. Blogging is no doubt a superior communications medium. ;0)</p>
<p>Thanks for the comments, as always.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/proficiency-in-tossing-stuff-out/comment-page-1/#comment-44513</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Downes makes this point over and over. Information is not knowledge. Knowledge comes from what you do with the information.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Downes makes this point over and over. Information is not knowledge. Knowledge comes from what you do with the information.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/proficiency-in-tossing-stuff-out/comment-page-1/#comment-44512</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now there is an idea...</description>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow...your kids really aren&#039;t normal. ;0)

I agree...the stuff my kids are asked to read at school is just horrible. And what kills me is this everyone has to read the same thing mentality. I remember when I taught lit, there were a few things we all read, but the first thing I did was go to book sales and giveaways ans stock up on all sorts of &quot;choice&quot; books that they could free read if they didn&#039;t have anything else. This lasted about two years until the board told me to stop since all of the titles weren&#039;t &quot;approved.&quot; Nice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow&#8230;your kids really aren&#8217;t normal. ;0)</p>
<p>I agree&#8230;the stuff my kids are asked to read at school is just horrible. And what kills me is this everyone has to read the same thing mentality. I remember when I taught lit, there were a few things we all read, but the first thing I did was go to book sales and giveaways ans stock up on all sorts of &#8220;choice&#8221; books that they could free read if they didn&#8217;t have anything else. This lasted about two years until the board told me to stop since all of the titles weren&#8217;t &#8220;approved.&#8221; Nice.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting discussion thread(s) all,

Resisting the temptation to summarize, often I find the notion of information overload over-simplified (this is why the need to forget is so important!).

We make choices as teachers, as parents, as citizens, as individuals as to what we read, when we read, how much we read, etc., but are we never not learning? Its hard to pinpoint all of the tiny elements that our brains associate when called to perform a task, recall information, tell a story.

So perhaps information overload is a product of people aiming for speed and efficiency. Perhaps much of the tension experienced by schools, teachers, parents, is that we are moving too quickly, that we need to slow down the pace so we can deeply examine what&#039;s going on around us.

We, as a culture, are reeling from our need for speed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting discussion thread(s) all,</p>
<p>Resisting the temptation to summarize, often I find the notion of information overload over-simplified (this is why the need to forget is so important!).</p>
<p>We make choices as teachers, as parents, as citizens, as individuals as to what we read, when we read, how much we read, etc., but are we never not learning? Its hard to pinpoint all of the tiny elements that our brains associate when called to perform a task, recall information, tell a story.</p>
<p>So perhaps information overload is a product of people aiming for speed and efficiency. Perhaps much of the tension experienced by schools, teachers, parents, is that we are moving too quickly, that we need to slow down the pace so we can deeply examine what&#8217;s going on around us.</p>
<p>We, as a culture, are reeling from our need for speed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Parisi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Parisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary, I totally agree.  I see in my classroom, when I move into book discussions and away from comprehension questions, the children enjoy the books more and look forward to our reading period each day.  We teachers learned how to successfully kill the love of reading long before computers were a factor.  The average basal reader story has eight comprehension and skills pages, while the story itself is only 6 pages.  Tell me that will instill a love of reading!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary, I totally agree.  I see in my classroom, when I move into book discussions and away from comprehension questions, the children enjoy the books more and look forward to our reading period each day.  We teachers learned how to successfully kill the love of reading long before computers were a factor.  The average basal reader story has eight comprehension and skills pages, while the story itself is only 6 pages.  Tell me that will instill a love of reading!</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Parisi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Parisi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily,
I clearly remember the first time I walked into a public library to use my own card.  I was about 5 and felt overwhelmed and excited by the possibilities.  I still feel that way everytime I walk into the library.  In fact, I say it to my daughter each time...&quot;So many choices. What do I choose?&quot;  How wonderful that now we can get that feeling from the Internet, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily,<br />
I clearly remember the first time I walked into a public library to use my own card.  I was about 5 and felt overwhelmed and excited by the possibilities.  I still feel that way everytime I walk into the library.  In fact, I say it to my daughter each time&#8230;&#8221;So many choices. What do I choose?&#8221;  How wonderful that now we can get that feeling from the Internet, too.</p>
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