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		<title>By: mohammed lahbib tidjani</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/not-the-dumbest-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-56081</link>
		<dc:creator>mohammed lahbib tidjani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 08:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a later comer to this discussion and after reading &quot;Think about how you read content on the Web. It’s mostly skimming — or reading short passages like posts and comments&quot; and reading&quot;The Web is about browsing — moving fast.It’s not conductive to deep learning.&quot; Comment by Josh ,I can&#039;t resist to read this about the web that enhance reading.
If reading is a guessing game &#039;Goodman&#039;and guiding you to extend your information how you can imagine that the web with its rich contextual and para data related to the topic you read and its dynamism can prevent the deep comprehension if the reader on the web is armed by reading strategies while reading on the screen?
Pease stop saying that because you are not ready to upgrade your reading skills when reading online these skills that you can practice not transmit to the kids you are concerned with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a later comer to this discussion and after reading &#8220;Think about how you read content on the Web. It’s mostly skimming — or reading short passages like posts and comments&#8221; and reading&#8221;The Web is about browsing — moving fast.It’s not conductive to deep learning.&#8221; Comment by Josh ,I can&#8217;t resist to read this about the web that enhance reading.<br />
If reading is a guessing game &#8216;Goodman&#8217;and guiding you to extend your information how you can imagine that the web with its rich contextual and para data related to the topic you read and its dynamism can prevent the deep comprehension if the reader on the web is armed by reading strategies while reading on the screen?<br />
Pease stop saying that because you are not ready to upgrade your reading skills when reading online these skills that you can practice not transmit to the kids you are concerned with.</p>
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		<title>By: Weblogg-ed &#187; Required Reading on Reading</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/not-the-dumbest-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-55763</link>
		<dc:creator>Weblogg-ed &#187; Required Reading on Reading</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/not-the-dumbest-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-55636</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize. I was responding to John Connell.</description>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/not-the-dumbest-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-55635</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m assuming you directed that at John???</description>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/not-the-dumbest-generation/comment-page-1/#comment-55630</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh,

I&#039;m for kids seeing, reading, doing all sorts of things as long as they are not dangerous or inappropriate. That said, I&#039;ll answer your questions with a couple of others.

1) School is constrained by a finite amount of time and other resources. Why would &quot;Two Million Minutes&quot; be shown in any school? I can&#039;t speak for the teacher in question here. I assume there was a curricular justification for showing the film.

2) I understand the importance of learning about reliability, validity, perspective, bias, etc.. when you consider any form of expression. However, THIS film in particular was funded by a political organization, ED in &#039;08. Was that disclosed to the students? Did they research or discuss the objectives of that organization or its benefactors?

You do not cheat a student by telling them about the &quot;author&quot; of a work. You cheat them by omitting that information from the discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m for kids seeing, reading, doing all sorts of things as long as they are not dangerous or inappropriate. That said, I&#8217;ll answer your questions with a couple of others.</p>
<p>1) School is constrained by a finite amount of time and other resources. Why would &#8220;Two Million Minutes&#8221; be shown in any school? I can&#8217;t speak for the teacher in question here. I assume there was a curricular justification for showing the film.</p>
<p>2) I understand the importance of learning about reliability, validity, perspective, bias, etc.. when you consider any form of expression. However, THIS film in particular was funded by a political organization, ED in &#8217;08. Was that disclosed to the students? Did they research or discuss the objectives of that organization or its benefactors?</p>
<p>You do not cheat a student by telling them about the &#8220;author&#8221; of a work. You cheat them by omitting that information from the discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: John Connell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on, Gary - that cannot be a serious question! At what age do you think children &#039;should&#039; be allowed to see &#039;propaganda&#039; films? At what age are they capable of understanding some aspects of the place to which they are &#039;consigned&#039; in this world? There are concepts in  Two Million Minutes that can be very well understood in different ways by kids younger than 7th graders.

And rather than &#039;tell&#039; the class they are watching a &#039;propaganda film&#039;, is it not better to acknowledge that every film in existence, every report, every article, every story, with a social, political or philosophical purpose is a propaganda piece and discuss, at whatever level is appropriate, the intent behind each of them as you come to them. That kind of political literacy is not something that can be &#039;told&#039; to kids, or to anyone for that matter - it has to be developed over time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on, Gary &#8211; that cannot be a serious question! At what age do you think children &#8216;should&#8217; be allowed to see &#8216;propaganda&#8217; films? At what age are they capable of understanding some aspects of the place to which they are &#8216;consigned&#8217; in this world? There are concepts in  Two Million Minutes that can be very well understood in different ways by kids younger than 7th graders.</p>
<p>And rather than &#8216;tell&#8217; the class they are watching a &#8216;propaganda film&#8217;, is it not better to acknowledge that every film in existence, every report, every article, every story, with a social, political or philosophical purpose is a propaganda piece and discuss, at whatever level is appropriate, the intent behind each of them as you come to them. That kind of political literacy is not something that can be &#8216;told&#8217; to kids, or to anyone for that matter &#8211; it has to be developed over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

You&#039;ve asked a large open-ended question. My glib response is that we have to start creating what Alfie Kohn calls, &quot;the schools our children deserve.&quot;

That can start with actions as simple as withdrawing our own children from standardized testing and writing a note to teachers explaining that once my kid demonstrates understanding of a concept, I will sign her homework to indicate that she is finished without wasting the time necessary to solve hundreds of identical problems.

We can share books with alternative views with colleagues, friends and our children&#039;s teachers. We can go to school board meetings and speak out.

We can teach our children to POLITELY question the educational practices to which they are subjected. &quot;Why are you teaching me phonemes three years after I learned to read?&quot; Seems a reasonable example of such questions.

We can advocate for universal public school choice where teachers and schools are organized around common educational philosophies. We can become more articulate advocates for our particular educational philosophies.

We can start new schools.

There are a million things we can do - some small and some large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve asked a large open-ended question. My glib response is that we have to start creating what Alfie Kohn calls, &#8220;the schools our children deserve.&#8221;</p>
<p>That can start with actions as simple as withdrawing our own children from standardized testing and writing a note to teachers explaining that once my kid demonstrates understanding of a concept, I will sign her homework to indicate that she is finished without wasting the time necessary to solve hundreds of identical problems.</p>
<p>We can share books with alternative views with colleagues, friends and our children&#8217;s teachers. We can go to school board meetings and speak out.</p>
<p>We can teach our children to POLITELY question the educational practices to which they are subjected. &#8220;Why are you teaching me phonemes three years after I learned to read?&#8221; Seems a reasonable example of such questions.</p>
<p>We can advocate for universal public school choice where teachers and schools are organized around common educational philosophies. We can become more articulate advocates for our particular educational philosophies.</p>
<p>We can start new schools.</p>
<p>There are a million things we can do &#8211; some small and some large.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MrsDurff:

Good for the 7th grader!

Did you tell the class that &quot;Two Million Minutes&quot; is a propaganda film funded by a group advocating a particular political opinion?

While I struggle to understand why educators value films like this, I have a hard time understanding why it would be beneficial to show to 7th graders.

If a kid has no ability to change the system they are consigned to, what possible positive result could result from seeing that film?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrsDurff:</p>
<p>Good for the 7th grader!</p>
<p>Did you tell the class that &#8220;Two Million Minutes&#8221; is a propaganda film funded by a group advocating a particular political opinion?</p>
<p>While I struggle to understand why educators value films like this, I have a hard time understanding why it would be beneficial to show to 7th graders.</p>
<p>If a kid has no ability to change the system they are consigned to, what possible positive result could result from seeing that film?</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say, I find it difficult to see how we can blame kids for not living up to &quot;proper educational standards&quot; when we are failing at teaching them how to do so. 

I find the choice of pronoun you use interesting as well. And just who are &quot;we&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say, I find it difficult to see how we can blame kids for not living up to &#8220;proper educational standards&#8221; when we are failing at teaching them how to do so. </p>
<p>I find the choice of pronoun you use interesting as well. And just who are &#8220;we&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: mrsdurff</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrsdurff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do we teach in pictures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we teach in pictures?</p>
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		<title>By: mrsdurff</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrsdurff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I showed the movie &lt;i&gt;Two Million Minutes&lt;/i&gt; to 7th graders. The first comment out of one young man&#039;s mouth=&quot;That film calls us dumb and we are not dumb!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I showed the movie <i>Two Million Minutes</i> to 7th graders. The first comment out of one young man&#8217;s mouth=&#8221;That film calls us dumb and we are not dumb!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GFS3</title>
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		<dc:creator>GFS3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 12:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, no need to get insulting.  I just don&#039;t understand your stance on skimming.  The point of education isn&#039;t to pass a test -- it&#039;s to learn.  So if we&#039;re not instilling that in our children -- then we&#039;re failing.  And since I don&#039;t like the direction this is heading in, I&#039;ll bid you all farewell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, no need to get insulting.  I just don&#8217;t understand your stance on skimming.  The point of education isn&#8217;t to pass a test &#8212; it&#8217;s to learn.  So if we&#8217;re not instilling that in our children &#8212; then we&#8217;re failing.  And since I don&#8217;t like the direction this is heading in, I&#8217;ll bid you all farewell.</p>
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		<title>By: John Connell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GFS3 - you&#039;re beginning to prove that the kids are not the dumbest generation.

I would not advocate not requiring to do course-work simply because a student doesn&#039;t want to do it, but I would certainly advocate a student not doing course-work that isn&#039;t necessary. If a smart kid know he can pass an external test by skimming a classic novel - and he has no particular wish to read the whole novel - why should he? You are asking kids to be irrational - another word for dumb in Americanese!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GFS3 &#8211; you&#8217;re beginning to prove that the kids are not the dumbest generation.</p>
<p>I would not advocate not requiring to do course-work simply because a student doesn&#8217;t want to do it, but I would certainly advocate a student not doing course-work that isn&#8217;t necessary. If a smart kid know he can pass an external test by skimming a classic novel &#8211; and he has no particular wish to read the whole novel &#8211; why should he? You are asking kids to be irrational &#8211; another word for dumb in Americanese!</p>
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		<title>By: GFS3</title>
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		<dc:creator>GFS3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To John Connell:
So you advocate not doing required course work because a student doesn&#039;t want to do it?  Interesting.  Why don&#039;t we have the kids teach the courses then.

And, yes, Will, we are blaming Gen Y for not living up to proper educational standards.  At some point, students, especially college students, need to take responsibility for their own learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To John Connell:<br />
So you advocate not doing required course work because a student doesn&#8217;t want to do it?  Interesting.  Why don&#8217;t we have the kids teach the courses then.</p>
<p>And, yes, Will, we are blaming Gen Y for not living up to proper educational standards.  At some point, students, especially college students, need to take responsibility for their own learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Thing 7a: Building a reading habit &#124; The Digital English Classroom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thing 7a: Building a reading habit &#124; The Digital English Classroom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 19:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] through was Weblogg-ed by Will Richardson.  One of the first posts that caught my attention was “Not the Dumbest Generation” in response to Mark Bauerline’s book The Dumbest Generation.  I have not read the book yet, but [...]</description>
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