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		<title>By: Meredith Broderick</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/mourning-old-media-mourning-old-media-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-60891</link>
		<dc:creator>Meredith Broderick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I miss is good journalists.  good Journalism has been decimated  by the fall of print media and the ownership being switched from family own papers to corporations. Look at the LA times or the Chicago Tribune. 
No one is asking the tough questions,The state of international reporting on all &quot;good&quot; papers is practically nonexistant. look at our last  2 presidential campaigns. The yellow journalism most media practice for liberal or conservative agendas is not journalism. The same is true of NewsMedai. If you watch Bill moyers he has been telling this story  for about 5 years. And this is not a conservative or liberal news media problem.It is bipartisan.
 Good journalists are scarcer than hens teeth, and more importantly the practice of it is not being handed down to the next generation. Everything is a love fest or Hate fest and made simple so that the american Idol generation doesn&#039;t have to think too much.
 of course you are right about shifts in how we recieve the media but the decline in journalism is a sad state of affairs . It does not matter how we receive news if it has nothing of substance to offer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I miss is good journalists.  good Journalism has been decimated  by the fall of print media and the ownership being switched from family own papers to corporations. Look at the LA times or the Chicago Tribune.<br />
No one is asking the tough questions,The state of international reporting on all &#8220;good&#8221; papers is practically nonexistant. look at our last  2 presidential campaigns. The yellow journalism most media practice for liberal or conservative agendas is not journalism. The same is true of NewsMedai. If you watch Bill moyers he has been telling this story  for about 5 years. And this is not a conservative or liberal news media problem.It is bipartisan.<br />
 Good journalists are scarcer than hens teeth, and more importantly the practice of it is not being handed down to the next generation. Everything is a love fest or Hate fest and made simple so that the american Idol generation doesn&#8217;t have to think too much.<br />
 of course you are right about shifts in how we recieve the media but the decline in journalism is a sad state of affairs . It does not matter how we receive news if it has nothing of substance to offer.</p>
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		<title>By: stevendkrause.com &#187; Good bye old media, helllo new media</title>
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		<dc:creator>stevendkrause.com &#187; Good bye old media, helllo new media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about &#8220;citizen journalism.&#8221; But I also post about this because I think that Will has it slightly wrong, when he writes:  The problem for us is that we’re still teaching like our kids are going to be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about &#8220;citizen journalism.&#8221; But I also post about this because I think that Will has it slightly wrong, when he writes:  The problem for us is that we’re still teaching like our kids are going to be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 16:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1.  What&#039;s a newspaper?
2.  Is it something I can obtain at my local Nickelodeon?
3.  Or is it better I power up the Kinescope?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  What&#8217;s a newspaper?<br />
2.  Is it something I can obtain at my local Nickelodeon?<br />
3.  Or is it better I power up the Kinescope?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 18:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

In this age of &quot;new media,&quot; do you have any idea how student journalism has fared? Are there more or fewer classes like the one you used to teach? I suspect, fewer. That would represent a real educational loss and eliminate a place of meaning for kids not filling their lives with competitive sports.

Is kids&#039; work being edited as meticulously? Are they learning about their Constitutional rights? Are they speaking truth to power with the assistance of a fearless competent adult?

I guess I&#039;ll feel less nostalgic for paper-based journalism when there is the blogger equivalent of &quot;Lou Grant&quot; capturing the public&#039;s imagination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>In this age of &#8220;new media,&#8221; do you have any idea how student journalism has fared? Are there more or fewer classes like the one you used to teach? I suspect, fewer. That would represent a real educational loss and eliminate a place of meaning for kids not filling their lives with competitive sports.</p>
<p>Is kids&#8217; work being edited as meticulously? Are they learning about their Constitutional rights? Are they speaking truth to power with the assistance of a fearless competent adult?</p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;ll feel less nostalgic for paper-based journalism when there is the blogger equivalent of &#8220;Lou Grant&#8221; capturing the public&#8217;s imagination.</p>
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		<title>By: Bookmarks (weekly)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookmarks (weekly)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Will real newspapers bite the dust?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will real newspapers bite the dust?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Richardson has written a nostalgic piece on print media, journalism and the relentless march of new media. I commented on his post and I felt, &#8220;What the heck?&#8221; and I have repeated my comments [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Richardson has written a nostalgic piece on print media, journalism and the relentless march of new media. I commented on his post and I felt, &#8220;What the heck?&#8221; and I have repeated my comments [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Larkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 08:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will miss the print editions of my favourite newspapers. I will not miss the local rag. Melancholy will be the order of the day in the likely event that the print editions of the Sydney Morning Herald and The Australian become extinct.

I enjoy sitting down to read the newspaper. It is tactile. Tangible. Turning a page determines what I will read and which photographs I will view. It is quite linear and ordered and requires little or no thinking and/or decision making on my part. I can get &#039;lost&#039; in a broadsheet paper. The moment takes me &quot;away&quot;. Reading the stories, the readers&#039; letters, the political cartoons and the comics follows a progression that is seemingly innate. I find reading the newspaper to be relaxing and an effective way to de-stress.

In comparison reading the same newspaper online is nowhere near as pleasant. Which link to follow? Which section to scan? Where is the editorial? Where are the political cartoons? I cannot get lost in the moment. Too many distractions online and on the computer. Links to earlier letters to the editor and related information is indeed useful.

New media is here to stay of course. Perhaps limited print runs of newspapers will be continued for diehards such as myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will miss the print editions of my favourite newspapers. I will not miss the local rag. Melancholy will be the order of the day in the likely event that the print editions of the Sydney Morning Herald and The Australian become extinct.</p>
<p>I enjoy sitting down to read the newspaper. It is tactile. Tangible. Turning a page determines what I will read and which photographs I will view. It is quite linear and ordered and requires little or no thinking and/or decision making on my part. I can get &#8216;lost&#8217; in a broadsheet paper. The moment takes me &#8220;away&#8221;. Reading the stories, the readers&#8217; letters, the political cartoons and the comics follows a progression that is seemingly innate. I find reading the newspaper to be relaxing and an effective way to de-stress.</p>
<p>In comparison reading the same newspaper online is nowhere near as pleasant. Which link to follow? Which section to scan? Where is the editorial? Where are the political cartoons? I cannot get lost in the moment. Too many distractions online and on the computer. Links to earlier letters to the editor and related information is indeed useful.</p>
<p>New media is here to stay of course. Perhaps limited print runs of newspapers will be continued for diehards such as myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mourning Old Media, Mourning Old Media Teachers &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mourning Old Media, Mourning Old Media Teachers &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:31:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Gary Christenson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Christenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel your pain, Will, or at least your age. I started teaching journalism 29 years ago in the Selectric Era. Having lived through marking up hard copy and doing rewrites on typewriters, I won&#039;t be mourning Old Media, except perhaps for its semblance of objectivity. Today, I work to excite my students about Online News, blogs and citizen journalism. When I was a student, I was told my first year at a paper would be spent writing obituaries. How that didn&#039;t cause to major in accounting I&#039;ll never know. I rather prefer this new frontier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain, Will, or at least your age. I started teaching journalism 29 years ago in the Selectric Era. Having lived through marking up hard copy and doing rewrites on typewriters, I won&#8217;t be mourning Old Media, except perhaps for its semblance of objectivity. Today, I work to excite my students about Online News, blogs and citizen journalism. When I was a student, I was told my first year at a paper would be spent writing obituaries. How that didn&#8217;t cause to major in accounting I&#8217;ll never know. I rather prefer this new frontier.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Manning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I suppose the papers can exaggerate, oversimplify and sensationalize. But they can also inspire, put you in the &quot;place&quot; and inform. 

I look forward to 3 or 4 really good articles in my daily paper version NYT. And during the week I look forward to the Metropolitan diary on Monday - - wonderful human interest stories, Thursday&#039;s Circuits section and Friday&#039;s Escapes. There is just something about the anticipation of waiting for the morning news and then there&#039;s the walk in the cold weather to the mailbox.

Thanks for the discussion....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I suppose the papers can exaggerate, oversimplify and sensationalize. But they can also inspire, put you in the &#8220;place&#8221; and inform. </p>
<p>I look forward to 3 or 4 really good articles in my daily paper version NYT. And during the week I look forward to the Metropolitan diary on Monday &#8211; - wonderful human interest stories, Thursday&#8217;s Circuits section and Friday&#8217;s Escapes. There is just something about the anticipation of waiting for the morning news and then there&#8217;s the walk in the cold weather to the mailbox.</p>
<p>Thanks for the discussion&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: David Truss</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Truss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I shared this comment on Dennis Richard&#039;s post about this post.
http://innovation3.edublogs.org/2008/10/29/problem-challenge-news-reporting-in-the-future/

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I don&#039;t remember the last time I read a newspaper... and I would argue that many newspaper articles are not written to inform but rather to exaggerate, or oversimplify, or sensationalize a topic for the sake of grabbing your attention... and then they don&#039;t go deep enough to make the read worthwhile. 

I&#039;ve questioned the validity, importance and integrity of papers ever since I watched Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky years ago: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5631882395226827730 
(Slow,  but very worth watching)

Newspapers&#039; attempts to sensationalize &amp; create an urgency to read things are what have caused their own demise. So too has their focus on narrow issues that all papers cover... the simple fact is that television and multi-media do that better than papers do.

If papers stopped making what Perez Hilton talks about the focus of their &#039;news&#039; then they will find a market and survive. If I felt I could open a paper and read more than just one good article, that I needed to browse 15 articles to find, then maybe I&#039;d pick one up every now and then, or even subscribe! 
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I&#039;ll add here that I like your slant, looking at &#039;old media teachers&#039;... why is it that photocopying is still one of a schools biggest costs each year? How many old-reused work sheets are being pumped out every day in classrooms around the world? This isn&#039;t even about the technology, it is about changing practice to provide more opportunities for higher order thinking. 

That&#039;s what a good newspaper article does... it challenges you to think and question your stance on a topic... and it doesn&#039;t have to be printed anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I shared this comment on Dennis Richard&#8217;s post about this post.<br />
<a href="http://innovation3.edublogs.org/2008/10/29/problem-challenge-news-reporting-in-the-future/" rel="nofollow">http://innovation3.edublogs.org/2008/10/29/problem-challenge-news-reporting-in-the-future/</a></p>
<p>&#8212;<br />
I don&#8217;t remember the last time I read a newspaper&#8230; and I would argue that many newspaper articles are not written to inform but rather to exaggerate, or oversimplify, or sensationalize a topic for the sake of grabbing your attention&#8230; and then they don&#8217;t go deep enough to make the read worthwhile. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve questioned the validity, importance and integrity of papers ever since I watched Manufacturing Consent by Noam Chomsky years ago: <a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5631882395226827730" rel="nofollow">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5631882395226827730</a><br />
(Slow,  but very worth watching)</p>
<p>Newspapers&#8217; attempts to sensationalize &amp; create an urgency to read things are what have caused their own demise. So too has their focus on narrow issues that all papers cover&#8230; the simple fact is that television and multi-media do that better than papers do.</p>
<p>If papers stopped making what Perez Hilton talks about the focus of their &#8216;news&#8217; then they will find a market and survive. If I felt I could open a paper and read more than just one good article, that I needed to browse 15 articles to find, then maybe I&#8217;d pick one up every now and then, or even subscribe!<br />
&#8212;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll add here that I like your slant, looking at &#8216;old media teachers&#8217;&#8230; why is it that photocopying is still one of a schools biggest costs each year? How many old-reused work sheets are being pumped out every day in classrooms around the world? This isn&#8217;t even about the technology, it is about changing practice to provide more opportunities for higher order thinking. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what a good newspaper article does&#8230; it challenges you to think and question your stance on a topic&#8230; and it doesn&#8217;t have to be printed anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Manning</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Manning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m almost 50 years old. 

My father read the Toronto Star newspaper every day very early in the morning. I can still smell the bacon he used to fry which was part of his morning routine. 

Here in rural Canada I was thrilled when the New York Times announced a few years back that it would deliver to my door in my neck of the woods. It is electronically sent to Toronto, printed and then loaded on a truck.

The NYT arrives in my country mailbox at 4:30 a.m. and by 5:30 a.m. the coffee is made, by 6:00 a.m. my fingers are black. 

I wouldn&#039;t have it any other way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m almost 50 years old. </p>
<p>My father read the Toronto Star newspaper every day very early in the morning. I can still smell the bacon he used to fry which was part of his morning routine. </p>
<p>Here in rural Canada I was thrilled when the New York Times announced a few years back that it would deliver to my door in my neck of the woods. It is electronically sent to Toronto, printed and then loaded on a truck.</p>
<p>The NYT arrives in my country mailbox at 4:30 a.m. and by 5:30 a.m. the coffee is made, by 6:00 a.m. my fingers are black. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t have it any other way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Metapizza &#187; The Future of Journalism (and education)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metapizza &#187; The Future of Journalism (and education)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nice post at Weblogg-ed about why changes to media education are important in relation to the decline of heritage journalism. It links through to the NY Times article involved. And there are some useful comments. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Problem Challenge: News Reporting in the Future? &#124; innovation3</title>
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		<dc:creator>Problem Challenge: News Reporting in the Future? &#124; innovation3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Richardson posted about his reactions to a future without newspapers, Mourning Old Media, Mourning Old Media Teachers. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 14:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes,Yes,Yes!  I am in the midst of an electronic literacy unit.  We (I teach 6th graders) are using Diigo to document our use of reading strategies while reading online text.  So far, so good--the kids are responding and enjoying reading each others thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes,Yes,Yes!  I am in the midst of an electronic literacy unit.  We (I teach 6th graders) are using Diigo to document our use of reading strategies while reading online text.  So far, so good&#8211;the kids are responding and enjoying reading each others thoughts.</p>
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