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		<title>By: Bill Ferriter</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59344</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Ferriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 10:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will wrote:
Or it might be that I still can’t seem to shake this stuckness I still feel with the conversation about social tools and learning in schools.


Will,

I, too, grow tired of the &quot;stuckness&quot; of the conversations about social tools and learning in schools.  It&#039;s amazing how slow others are to embrace a change that is literally enveloping everything about the learning lives of our students.  

Which is why the &quot;immersion&quot; in tools approach to PD that you are pushing is so important.  Maybe---just maybe---teachers who embrace digital tools for their own learning will finally see its value in their classrooms.  

I only seek out digital learning opportunities for my students because they have changed who I am as a learner.  Once I find a tool that facilitates my own personal and professional growth, I look for ways to incorporate that tool into the learning of my students.  

I end up being their digital yoda---showing them how to use the tools they&#039;ve embraced to learn more.  

Anyway...thanks for a great post.  It&#039;s got me thinking this morning...

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will wrote:<br />
Or it might be that I still can’t seem to shake this stuckness I still feel with the conversation about social tools and learning in schools.</p>
<p>Will,</p>
<p>I, too, grow tired of the &#8220;stuckness&#8221; of the conversations about social tools and learning in schools.  It&#8217;s amazing how slow others are to embrace a change that is literally enveloping everything about the learning lives of our students.  </p>
<p>Which is why the &#8220;immersion&#8221; in tools approach to PD that you are pushing is so important.  Maybe&#8212;just maybe&#8212;teachers who embrace digital tools for their own learning will finally see its value in their classrooms.  </p>
<p>I only seek out digital learning opportunities for my students because they have changed who I am as a learner.  Once I find a tool that facilitates my own personal and professional growth, I look for ways to incorporate that tool into the learning of my students.  </p>
<p>I end up being their digital yoda&#8212;showing them how to use the tools they&#8217;ve embraced to learn more.  </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;thanks for a great post.  It&#8217;s got me thinking this morning&#8230;</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59335</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 22:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never really thought of education based on immersion, and i wonder if we can.  Don&#039;t we usually have the need for a leader in a situation.  I mean i don&#039;t want to discount the idea of true collaboration, i just need to know how to get there.  If everybody is in the water, is there a lifeguard?  great thought i need to absorb it and try to get toward the technique (is it possible without getting wet?)
Dale</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never really thought of education based on immersion, and i wonder if we can.  Don&#8217;t we usually have the need for a leader in a situation.  I mean i don&#8217;t want to discount the idea of true collaboration, i just need to know how to get there.  If everybody is in the water, is there a lifeguard?  great thought i need to absorb it and try to get toward the technique (is it possible without getting wet?)<br />
Dale</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Sinitiere</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59308</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Sinitiere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  I love the idea of immersion, and the role desire plays (or could play in it) in this kind of connectivity.  

Nicole&#039;s comment about teachers acting as ethnographers in the classroom is a great point as well.  Ethnographers, of course, talk about being &quot;participant-observers&quot; in the community or society the study.  Thinking about being a &quot;participant-observer&quot; in my own classroom is great food for thought not only in reframing or retooling content, but also strategizing more critically about assessment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  I love the idea of immersion, and the role desire plays (or could play in it) in this kind of connectivity.  </p>
<p>Nicole&#8217;s comment about teachers acting as ethnographers in the classroom is a great point as well.  Ethnographers, of course, talk about being &#8220;participant-observers&#8221; in the community or society the study.  Thinking about being a &#8220;participant-observer&#8221; in my own classroom is great food for thought not only in reframing or retooling content, but also strategizing more critically about assessment.</p>
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		<title>By: John Larkin</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59288</link>
		<dc:creator>John Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 10:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the informative reply Gary. Cheers, John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the informative reply Gary. Cheers, John.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59269</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Costa Rica has no military budget and has probably the most mature use of computers in education in the world.</description>
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		<title>By: John Larkin</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59268</link>
		<dc:creator>John Larkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 01:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post took me back to early nineties when I was reading papers by Brown, Duguid, Lave and others on Situated Cognition and related thinking.

Could not help but think of a world where education funding supplanted military funding. Teachers, students and parents could be immersed in real situations around the globe. Not virtual but real. That is something to dream about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post took me back to early nineties when I was reading papers by Brown, Duguid, Lave and others on Situated Cognition and related thinking.</p>
<p>Could not help but think of a world where education funding supplanted military funding. Teachers, students and parents could be immersed in real situations around the globe. Not virtual but real. That is something to dream about.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They aren&#039;t. The idea at the beginning is to provide a safe place to engage and to build community around the conversations. As we move through the year, we begin moving the discussions into more public spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They aren&#8217;t. The idea at the beginning is to provide a safe place to engage and to build community around the conversations. As we move through the year, we begin moving the discussions into more public spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59224</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 13:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing that, Gary. Great way of thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing that, Gary. Great way of thinking about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison P</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59221</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,
Thanks for your interest in our class! I just wanted let you know about our interest in Richardson.
You ask if we are writing as an assignment. &quot;Assignment&quot; is such a limiting word. It implies &quot;requirement.&quot; As graduate students, we are all developing our personal intellectual projects. Some of us wrote to Richardson during our class time, but we have all been following him independently as well, and some of us have already written about his posts in our own blogs. If you are interested, I invite you to check out our work and our thoughts on education (much of which is posted online at a ning site)

So, yes, to answer your question, we were invited to respond to RIchardson during class. I can&#039;t speak for my whole class, but I feel as though I am rarely &lt;b&gt;required&lt;/b&gt; to do anything as an &quot;assignment.&quot; We are typically invited to partake in some form of cognitive development. Our interest in Richardson stretches beyond a class assignment. 

Thanks again for your response!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,<br />
Thanks for your interest in our class! I just wanted let you know about our interest in Richardson.<br />
You ask if we are writing as an assignment. &#8220;Assignment&#8221; is such a limiting word. It implies &#8220;requirement.&#8221; As graduate students, we are all developing our personal intellectual projects. Some of us wrote to Richardson during our class time, but we have all been following him independently as well, and some of us have already written about his posts in our own blogs. If you are interested, I invite you to check out our work and our thoughts on education (much of which is posted online at a ning site)</p>
<p>So, yes, to answer your question, we were invited to respond to RIchardson during class. I can&#8217;t speak for my whole class, but I feel as though I am rarely <b>required</b> to do anything as an &#8220;assignment.&#8221; We are typically invited to partake in some form of cognitive development. Our interest in Richardson stretches beyond a class assignment. </p>
<p>Thanks again for your response!</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59212</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the PLP discussions public?</description>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59211</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Here he was acquiring knowledge for use, like learning a language by growing up in its country -- an experience quite unlike learning a language in order to pass a test. Those high-tech computerized model cars are so rich in principles of mathematics (and the same goes for other domains of knowledge) that one could well think of the experience of their builders as learning math by living in mathland -- a place that is to mathematics as France is to French. And the success of students like Bill in these environments shows that just as all children -- and not only those who &quot;have a head for French&quot; -- learn French if they live to France, so, too, all children learn mathematics if they meet it in a context that is more alive than the ordinary curriculum.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 
&lt;em&gt;Computers in the Classroom: Agents of Change By Seymour Papert

The Washington Post Education Review Sunday, October 27, 1996&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;If your child were to spend some time in France, it is likely he or she will pick up quite a bit of French.  &quot;What would happen,&quot; asked Papert, &quot;if children who can&#039;t do math grew up in Mathland, a place that is to math what France is to French?&quot;... A key component of Papert&#039;s educational philosophy is self-directed learning.  As kids build cool things in Mathland, they naturally encounter problems which require creative mathematical solutions.  As a result, formerly abstract mathematical concepts take on a real meaning, and there are tangible rewards for tinkering with these concepts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Origins of Mindstorms (Wired.com) http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2007/03/the_origins_of_.html&lt;/em&gt;

Of course, you could read the original source - http://astore.amazon.com/constructivistconsortium-20/detail/0465046746/002-7519795-5263203</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Here he was acquiring knowledge for use, like learning a language by growing up in its country &#8212; an experience quite unlike learning a language in order to pass a test. Those high-tech computerized model cars are so rich in principles of mathematics (and the same goes for other domains of knowledge) that one could well think of the experience of their builders as learning math by living in mathland &#8212; a place that is to mathematics as France is to French. And the success of students like Bill in these environments shows that just as all children &#8212; and not only those who &#8220;have a head for French&#8221; &#8212; learn French if they live to France, so, too, all children learn mathematics if they meet it in a context that is more alive than the ordinary curriculum.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Computers in the Classroom: Agents of Change By Seymour Papert</p>
<p>The Washington Post Education Review Sunday, October 27, 1996</em></p>
<blockquote><p>If your child were to spend some time in France, it is likely he or she will pick up quite a bit of French.  &#8220;What would happen,&#8221; asked Papert, &#8220;if children who can&#8217;t do math grew up in Mathland, a place that is to math what France is to French?&#8221;&#8230; A key component of Papert&#8217;s educational philosophy is self-directed learning.  As kids build cool things in Mathland, they naturally encounter problems which require creative mathematical solutions.  As a result, formerly abstract mathematical concepts take on a real meaning, and there are tangible rewards for tinkering with these concepts.</p></blockquote>
<p><em>Origins of Mindstorms (Wired.com) <a href="http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2007/03/the_origins_of_.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2007/03/the_origins_of_.html</a></em></p>
<p>Of course, you could read the original source &#8211; <a href="http://astore.amazon.com/constructivistconsortium-20/detail/0465046746/002-7519795-5263203" rel="nofollow">http://astore.amazon.com/constructivistconsortium-20/detail/0465046746/002-7519795-5263203</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59209</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 03:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering... Are students responding to this blog as part of a course assignment?</description>
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		<title>By: Daniel Donahoo</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59194</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Donahoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Response at - http://idolisingchildren.com/2008/09/18/immersive-learning-over-at-weblogg-edcom/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Response at &#8211; <a href="http://idolisingchildren.com/2008/09/18/immersive-learning-over-at-weblogg-edcom/" rel="nofollow">http://idolisingchildren.com/2008/09/18/immersive-learning-over-at-weblogg-edcom/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Idolising Children? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Immersive Learning over at weblogg-ed.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idolising Children? &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Immersive Learning over at weblogg-ed.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are some excellent comments from educators and student teachers over at Will Richardson&#8217;s [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Raphael Tombasco</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/immersive-learning/comment-page-1/#comment-59188</link>
		<dc:creator>Raphael Tombasco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog post on &#039;immersive learning&#039; is very closely related to Gustavson&#039;s case study (Media, Learning, and Sites of Possibility) of Gil, a young turntablist, in that both comment on how education and identity formation is a continuous process, a process that is informed by close interactions with the social scene surrounding us. I see many similarities between Gil and Tucker and can relate to the idea that much of what we learn--about others and ourselves--is accomplished through trial and error, by putting ourselves out there and seeing what happens. From my own experiences as a student, I remember the stifling feeling of not having access to the social world constantly under development. The tasks and competition were important, and there was very little freedom in bringing my own personal interests into the classroom.

There are other types of reading and writing available in this technology rich world described in Seely Brown&#039;s quote, and though much has changed (technology-wise) in the 7 years since I was in secondary school, there is still a problem with paying mind to student interest. The question for educators turns to how we can take Gil&#039;s turntablism and Tucker&#039;s fascination with Spore and use these discourses as tools to help young minds develop.

It seems that the upcoming election offers some hope, especially with Obama&#039;s stance on education. If we allow a fresh mind like that into the White House, instead of McCain who has no agenda whatsoever for educational reform (as far as I can tell), we may finally be able to develop these discourses in our classrooms when the time comes. Then maybe we can be the Yodas or ethnographers that are so desperately needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog post on &#8216;immersive learning&#8217; is very closely related to Gustavson&#8217;s case study (Media, Learning, and Sites of Possibility) of Gil, a young turntablist, in that both comment on how education and identity formation is a continuous process, a process that is informed by close interactions with the social scene surrounding us. I see many similarities between Gil and Tucker and can relate to the idea that much of what we learn&#8211;about others and ourselves&#8211;is accomplished through trial and error, by putting ourselves out there and seeing what happens. From my own experiences as a student, I remember the stifling feeling of not having access to the social world constantly under development. The tasks and competition were important, and there was very little freedom in bringing my own personal interests into the classroom.</p>
<p>There are other types of reading and writing available in this technology rich world described in Seely Brown&#8217;s quote, and though much has changed (technology-wise) in the 7 years since I was in secondary school, there is still a problem with paying mind to student interest. The question for educators turns to how we can take Gil&#8217;s turntablism and Tucker&#8217;s fascination with Spore and use these discourses as tools to help young minds develop.</p>
<p>It seems that the upcoming election offers some hope, especially with Obama&#8217;s stance on education. If we allow a fresh mind like that into the White House, instead of McCain who has no agenda whatsoever for educational reform (as far as I can tell), we may finally be able to develop these discourses in our classrooms when the time comes. Then maybe we can be the Yodas or ethnographers that are so desperately needed.</p>
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