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		<title>By: Weblogg-ed &#187; &#8220;Social Filters&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-49304</link>
		<dc:creator>Weblogg-ed &#187; &#8220;Social Filters&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 12:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article in the New York Times that asserts the Clay Shirky idea I noted here earlier of a publish then filter world. According to interviews and recent surveys, younger voters tend to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] article in the New York Times that asserts the Clay Shirky idea I noted here earlier of a publish then filter world. According to interviews and recent surveys, younger voters tend to [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts from Will Richardson - Here Comes Everybody &#124; SVSD Literacy with ICT</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-49052</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts from Will Richardson - Here Comes Everybody &#124; SVSD Literacy with ICT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Here Comes Everybody [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Here Comes Everybody [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-49010</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you go to morethansound.net there are samples of a pretty interesting conversation between clay shirky and daniel goleman (author of emotional intelligence)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you go to morethansound.net there are samples of a pretty interesting conversation between clay shirky and daniel goleman (author of emotional intelligence)</p>
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		<title>By: Response: Here Comes Everybody &#124; The Differentiated Apple</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48999</link>
		<dc:creator>Response: Here Comes Everybody &#124; The Differentiated Apple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 12:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the tradition of Sketch-to-Stretch, I will let you figure out why this picture represents my understanding of Will Richardson&#8217;s post, &#8220;Here Comes Everybody.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] In the tradition of Sketch-to-Stretch, I will let you figure out why this picture represents my understanding of Will Richardson&#8217;s post, &#8220;Here Comes Everybody.&#8221; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: information now &#187; Blog Archive</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48911</link>
		<dc:creator>information now &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8216;Here comes everybody&#8217; Review of Clay Shirky&#8217;s book - &#8220;Here comes everybody: the power of organizing without organizations&#8221; by Will Richardson, Weblogg-ed, 21 Mar 2008. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] &#8216;Here comes everybody&#8217; Review of Clay Shirky&#8217;s book - &#8220;Here comes everybody: the power of organizing without organizations&#8221; by Will Richardson, Weblogg-ed, 21 Mar 2008. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Rodd Lucier</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48889</link>
		<dc:creator>Rodd Lucier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 01:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As products of our exposure, online networking tends more to connect us with like-minded folks, than with those who truly push us to consider other points of view, be they polar opposites or shades of grey.  

While I find the opportunity to connect with tech-savvy peers within a community of learners to be affirming, I'm wondering if our interactions could be more 'challenging'?  

Rather than sharing cool links; pertinent video mashups; and 'great reads', I'd like to connect more readily with people questioning the adoption of various technologies.... Trouble is, most are doing this type of questioning in the staffroom, rather than in the blogosphere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As products of our exposure, online networking tends more to connect us with like-minded folks, than with those who truly push us to consider other points of view, be they polar opposites or shades of grey.  </p>
<p>While I find the opportunity to connect with tech-savvy peers within a community of learners to be affirming, I&#8217;m wondering if our interactions could be more &#8216;challenging&#8217;?  </p>
<p>Rather than sharing cool links; pertinent video mashups; and &#8216;great reads&#8217;, I&#8217;d like to connect more readily with people questioning the adoption of various technologies&#8230;. Trouble is, most are doing this type of questioning in the staffroom, rather than in the blogosphere.</p>
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		<title>By: The FASTForward Blog &#187; An adjacency of opposites: Enterprise 2.0 Blog: News, Coverage, and Commentary</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48807</link>
		<dc:creator>The FASTForward Blog &#187; An adjacency of opposites: Enterprise 2.0 Blog: News, Coverage, and Commentary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 03:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that corner, Weinberger, looking at the &#8220;here comes everybody&#8221; energy, complexity, and messiness of the web as it is today, with its social spontaneity, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] that corner, Weinberger, looking at the &#8220;here comes everybody&#8221; energy, complexity, and messiness of the web as it is today, with its social spontaneity, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ransom</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48770</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ransom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 20:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a definite gap in adult perception and that of youth when it comes to adoption and value of these new social tools, as one can witness in this article:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/wr_nm/facebook_tech_life_dc

It completely meshes with the quotation that you cited, Will:
"...young people are taking better advantage of social tools, extending their capabilities in ways that violate old models..."

Here is a quote from the article:
"It sends a clear signal to all the kids that innovation is not only frowned upon but will be punished and that if you use emerging technologies in innovative ways, you risk being expelled from the school."

So many on all fronts are struggling with change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a definite gap in adult perception and that of youth when it comes to adoption and value of these new social tools, as one can witness in this article:<br />
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/wr_nm/facebook_tech_life_dc" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080320/wr_nm/facebook_tech_life_dc</a></p>
<p>It completely meshes with the quotation that you cited, Will:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;young people are taking better advantage of social tools, extending their capabilities in ways that violate old models&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Here is a quote from the article:<br />
&#8220;It sends a clear signal to all the kids that innovation is not only frowned upon but will be punished and that if you use emerging technologies in innovative ways, you risk being expelled from the school.&#8221;</p>
<p>So many on all fronts are struggling with change.</p>
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		<title>By: Aly Tapp</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48761</link>
		<dc:creator>Aly Tapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 18:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading your blog and watching the interview with John Hagel, I am struck by the notion that "developing talent" requires effective social networking. At the end of the interview, the two men discuss the about-to-retire worker sitting next to the fresh 24-year-old new hire, as well as the idea that one should not be sitting with the same coworkers for more than three or four days. Apply this notion to the educational environment. Our current structure places teachers in the same room, in hallways with the same colleagues every day, every year, every decade. Our students meet classmates in kindergarten and progress with them until graduation. If we are products of our exposure, this is a lousy model. This is another powerful reason to connect our teachers and our students to the larger community. Online networking can do this. 

Training teachers and students to be effective in networking/developing talent is only part of the necessary change. I work in a district where Ustream is blocked because of "broadband issues." We forbid cell phones. Teachers do not have access to Skype. Our Polycom system collects dust most of the time. I say this not to complain -- I believe that most schools are similarly limited. We have to press for changes in infrastructure so we can handle this new way of doing business. Lately, I hear so much about trying to get teachers to change the way they think, but I worry that we are not doing enough to prepare the way for them. I'd love to see folks like John Hagel address our communities, our school boards, our administrations, our IT departments. When the way is clear, more teachers will travel on the new road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading your blog and watching the interview with John Hagel, I am struck by the notion that &#8220;developing talent&#8221; requires effective social networking. At the end of the interview, the two men discuss the about-to-retire worker sitting next to the fresh 24-year-old new hire, as well as the idea that one should not be sitting with the same coworkers for more than three or four days. Apply this notion to the educational environment. Our current structure places teachers in the same room, in hallways with the same colleagues every day, every year, every decade. Our students meet classmates in kindergarten and progress with them until graduation. If we are products of our exposure, this is a lousy model. This is another powerful reason to connect our teachers and our students to the larger community. Online networking can do this. </p>
<p>Training teachers and students to be effective in networking/developing talent is only part of the necessary change. I work in a district where Ustream is blocked because of &#8220;broadband issues.&#8221; We forbid cell phones. Teachers do not have access to Skype. Our Polycom system collects dust most of the time. I say this not to complain &#8212; I believe that most schools are similarly limited. We have to press for changes in infrastructure so we can handle this new way of doing business. Lately, I hear so much about trying to get teachers to change the way they think, but I worry that we are not doing enough to prepare the way for them. I&#8217;d love to see folks like John Hagel address our communities, our school boards, our administrations, our IT departments. When the way is clear, more teachers will travel on the new road.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48748</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin,
Thanks for that link. That is another example of the "ridiculously easy group forming" that Shirky talks about.  And that's an interesting idea of figuring out some way of tracking the adoption curve...probably pretty flat right now.
Thanks for the comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin,<br />
Thanks for that link. That is another example of the &#8220;ridiculously easy group forming&#8221; that Shirky talks about.  And that&#8217;s an interesting idea of figuring out some way of tracking the adoption curve&#8230;probably pretty flat right now.<br />
Thanks for the comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Prentiss</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/here-comes-everybody/#comment-48745</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Prentiss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This splinters a million directions in my head.  

A quick bounce - what a crazy break / tear / gap there will be (is!) between students who are unconsciously competent with social tools / digital grouping and schools who are still fighting the calculator.  

I know there's been talk of this, but an adoption curve assessment would be fascinating.  To be able to plot relative resistance (whether it's philosophical or infrastructure) of various schools at various age levels might help schools see the tidal wave and differentiate between fads and change.  Institutionally, this is a very tricky game.  (At least open source and web apps are dropping the costs of being wrong.)

For a great example of this gap at work - check out &lt;a href="http://www.thesablog.org/2008/03/self-orientatio.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this blog&lt;/a&gt; on students handling their own orientation before college and ripping the communication channels away from the institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This splinters a million directions in my head.  </p>
<p>A quick bounce - what a crazy break / tear / gap there will be (is!) between students who are unconsciously competent with social tools / digital grouping and schools who are still fighting the calculator.  </p>
<p>I know there&#8217;s been talk of this, but an adoption curve assessment would be fascinating.  To be able to plot relative resistance (whether it&#8217;s philosophical or infrastructure) of various schools at various age levels might help schools see the tidal wave and differentiate between fads and change.  Institutionally, this is a very tricky game.  (At least open source and web apps are dropping the costs of being wrong.)</p>
<p>For a great example of this gap at work - check out <a href="http://www.thesablog.org/2008/03/self-orientatio.html" rel="nofollow">this blog</a> on students handling their own orientation before college and ripping the communication channels away from the institution.</p>
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