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		<title>By: Steve Dembo</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-61492</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Dembo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, that&#039;s not true.  You&#039;re required to have a filter, and you&#039;re required to have a policy dictating how you will enforce it.  But how restrictive or open you make things is entirely up to you and your school/district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, that&#8217;s not true.  You&#8217;re required to have a filter, and you&#8217;re required to have a policy dictating how you will enforce it.  But how restrictive or open you make things is entirely up to you and your school/district.</p>
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		<title>By: Malik</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60897</link>
		<dc:creator>Malik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 20:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Latest in this topic... tech guy approached me by the actions of a student. The student was caught on myspace using the following proxy server: http://67.15.34.198. I am not sure if all filters propagate with the domain name &amp; IP? Something to look into...

-Malik</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest in this topic&#8230; tech guy approached me by the actions of a student. The student was caught on myspace using the following proxy server: <a href="http://67.15.34.198" rel="nofollow">http://67.15.34.198</a>. I am not sure if all filters propagate with the domain name &amp; IP? Something to look into&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Seohee Lim</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60313</link>
		<dc:creator>Seohee Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 04:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I certainly agree with your post! When I was in high school (3 years ago) I couldn&#039;t go to any websites! The filters are ridiculous. After saving a paper I couldn&#039;t even log on to my email to send myself the document to finish it later. Youtube may have a lot of entertainment videos, but others may provide educational use as well. Even for presentations many students use youtube to post their videos- but with the strict filtering this even limits students to the amount of varieties one can have in their projects. Wikipedia.. I don&#039;t necessarily use this website for my sources but this website has certainly helped me get more ideas for papers, speeches.. etc.. Who is the judge of these filters anyway? Teachers should have the freedom to view websites.. for example. Every health teacher may teach about reproduction.. but b.c of the word &quot;sex&quot; many educational websites won&#039;t even come up b.c of these filters. This basically forces all teachers to do their work at home- when a lot of teachers could save so much time by doing it at school. It kind of reminds me of a parent and child. A parent doesn&#039;t give the child any freedom and this forces the child to want to rebel. Students don&#039;t have any freedom for the websites that may be helpful, so when students go home they may look at irrelevant sites not pertaining to anything in school b.c they are so angry about not being able to look at anything while they are in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I certainly agree with your post! When I was in high school (3 years ago) I couldn&#8217;t go to any websites! The filters are ridiculous. After saving a paper I couldn&#8217;t even log on to my email to send myself the document to finish it later. Youtube may have a lot of entertainment videos, but others may provide educational use as well. Even for presentations many students use youtube to post their videos- but with the strict filtering this even limits students to the amount of varieties one can have in their projects. Wikipedia.. I don&#8217;t necessarily use this website for my sources but this website has certainly helped me get more ideas for papers, speeches.. etc.. Who is the judge of these filters anyway? Teachers should have the freedom to view websites.. for example. Every health teacher may teach about reproduction.. but b.c of the word &#8220;sex&#8221; many educational websites won&#8217;t even come up b.c of these filters. This basically forces all teachers to do their work at home- when a lot of teachers could save so much time by doing it at school. It kind of reminds me of a parent and child. A parent doesn&#8217;t give the child any freedom and this forces the child to want to rebel. Students don&#8217;t have any freedom for the websites that may be helpful, so when students go home they may look at irrelevant sites not pertaining to anything in school b.c they are so angry about not being able to look at anything while they are in school.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Rodgers</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60169</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Rodgers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 04:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good discussion you have started here, Will! 

In my own district, I am very blessed, indeed, to work under a superintendent who greatly values technology. About 2 years ago, I sat down with him and the leadership team for the district and introduced them to the read/write web. The response was unabashed excitement and enthusiasm! Our super went to his office later that day to look at YouTube, and he discovered it was blocked. A quick phone call to tech support rectified that. He poured over the site, and he discovered among the music videos and laughing babies vast stores of educational resources. He made a very gutsy move and had YouTube unblocked in the district. His reasoning? YouTube was too valuable to not attempt to use responsibly. 

Our district has been very supportive of my efforts to utilize Web 2.0 tools with students and teachers. The philosophy has become one that relies on high expectations for student and staff responsibility. The goal is to enable all to become proficient with very relevant, very transformative tools. The results have been astounding. Our district has come to be viewed as a benchmark for others in our state to model their own technology practices and policies after. 

The key point in all of this is that it all begins with the education of the administration. Many restrictive policies are the result of irrational fears based upon a lack of familiarity and experience. Put a few tools into the hands of a school&#039;s leaders, and walls will come down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion you have started here, Will! </p>
<p>In my own district, I am very blessed, indeed, to work under a superintendent who greatly values technology. About 2 years ago, I sat down with him and the leadership team for the district and introduced them to the read/write web. The response was unabashed excitement and enthusiasm! Our super went to his office later that day to look at YouTube, and he discovered it was blocked. A quick phone call to tech support rectified that. He poured over the site, and he discovered among the music videos and laughing babies vast stores of educational resources. He made a very gutsy move and had YouTube unblocked in the district. His reasoning? YouTube was too valuable to not attempt to use responsibly. </p>
<p>Our district has been very supportive of my efforts to utilize Web 2.0 tools with students and teachers. The philosophy has become one that relies on high expectations for student and staff responsibility. The goal is to enable all to become proficient with very relevant, very transformative tools. The results have been astounding. Our district has come to be viewed as a benchmark for others in our state to model their own technology practices and policies after. </p>
<p>The key point in all of this is that it all begins with the education of the administration. Many restrictive policies are the result of irrational fears based upon a lack of familiarity and experience. Put a few tools into the hands of a school&#8217;s leaders, and walls will come down.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis Ide</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60133</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis Ide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all about balancing security with freedom to use all of the tech that&#039;s available.</description>
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		<title>By: yaddo</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60122</link>
		<dc:creator>yaddo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone time we tell our own children or our students &quot;no&quot; it just makes them want to do it more. If we were to take all of these &quot;no&quot; items and embrace them what kind of problems would we really be dealing with. If we were able to treat these items with respect this may no longer be an issue. I think this kind of school would be great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone time we tell our own children or our students &#8220;no&#8221; it just makes them want to do it more. If we were to take all of these &#8220;no&#8221; items and embrace them what kind of problems would we really be dealing with. If we were able to treat these items with respect this may no longer be an issue. I think this kind of school would be great.</p>
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		<title>By: Damon</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60105</link>
		<dc:creator>Damon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, at least in my district, it seems the only people who are not able to access whatever they need on the internet are teachers. In my building, if I pulled aside 20 students and asked them for the address to a proxy server that would bypass our district&#039;s security, I&#039;m certain that I&#039;d receive at least ten different sites.

As much as we teachers can try to keep up with advancements in technology, it is the students who are the real experts in using, and finding (even illegally) whatever information they desire. Why can&#039;t we as professionals be trusted to teach students how to use technology responsibly?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, at least in my district, it seems the only people who are not able to access whatever they need on the internet are teachers. In my building, if I pulled aside 20 students and asked them for the address to a proxy server that would bypass our district&#8217;s security, I&#8217;m certain that I&#8217;d receive at least ten different sites.</p>
<p>As much as we teachers can try to keep up with advancements in technology, it is the students who are the real experts in using, and finding (even illegally) whatever information they desire. Why can&#8217;t we as professionals be trusted to teach students how to use technology responsibly?</p>
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		<title>By: Lucie deLaBruere</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60009</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucie deLaBruere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not advocating for a &quot;filter-free&quot; zone, but I am glad my network admin agrees with me that supervision and education need to be above technical solutions to these problems. He believes do believe that if you set up a tone where you are at war with the students about protecting computers and  other technical restrictions, student will always win - &quot;they have more time than him&quot;.    

And it appears that just this month, Congress has upgraded CIPA  (S.1492) in a way that sends the message that Education, not mandatory blocking and filtering, is the best way to protect and prepare
America&#039;s students.


Joint Statement of CoSN and ISTE Hailing Passage of
Internet Safety Education Legislation

http://www.iste.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&amp;TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&amp;CONTENTID=21817

Lucie deLaBruere
www.LearningWithLucie.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not advocating for a &#8220;filter-free&#8221; zone, but I am glad my network admin agrees with me that supervision and education need to be above technical solutions to these problems. He believes do believe that if you set up a tone where you are at war with the students about protecting computers and  other technical restrictions, student will always win &#8211; &#8220;they have more time than him&#8221;.    </p>
<p>And it appears that just this month, Congress has upgraded CIPA  (S.1492) in a way that sends the message that Education, not mandatory blocking and filtering, is the best way to protect and prepare<br />
America&#8217;s students.</p>
<p>Joint Statement of CoSN and ISTE Hailing Passage of<br />
Internet Safety Education Legislation</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iste.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&#038;TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&#038;CONTENTID=21817" rel="nofollow">http://www.iste.org/AM/Template.cfm?Section=Home&#038;TEMPLATE=/CM/ContentDisplay.cfm&#038;CONTENTID=21817</a></p>
<p>Lucie deLaBruere<br />
<a href="http://www.LearningWithLucie.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.LearningWithLucie.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ransom</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-60007</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ransom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 12:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the key phrase there is &quot;a highly qualified tech dept. will *stay ahead of these&quot;. I suppose that will vary from dept to dept. Tech savvy kids may be the ones causing their tech departments to play catch-up all of the time. Most kids, however, probably are kept from accessing them from proactive filter managing. Thanks for trying them and reporting back. We have no filter, so I couldn&#039;t test its robustness myself ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the key phrase there is &#8220;a highly qualified tech dept. will *stay ahead of these&#8221;. I suppose that will vary from dept to dept. Tech savvy kids may be the ones causing their tech departments to play catch-up all of the time. Most kids, however, probably are kept from accessing them from proactive filter managing. Thanks for trying them and reporting back. We have no filter, so I couldn&#8217;t test its robustness myself <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-59971</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although proxy sites are an available portal a good filtering mechanism and a highly qualified tech dept will ahead of these. Just for my own entertainment, I tried the recommended proxies and all are currently block by my filter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although proxy sites are an available portal a good filtering mechanism and a highly qualified tech dept will ahead of these. Just for my own entertainment, I tried the recommended proxies and all are currently block by my filter.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ransom</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-59959</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ransom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sandy, good points all around. Hot discussions have been taking place now for quite a while on problems related to teachers not being information literate in a digital world. As someone who works in higher education, I couldn&#039;t agree more that preservice teacher training needs to improve substantially  in all areas of technology, including digital information literacies. However, often those same institutions are experiencing the very same problems that you are describing... lack of funds, lack of knowledgeable faculty, lack of room in already packed programs for dedicated courses on information technologies, political wranglings...

I don&#039;t see sweeping changes happening any time soon, sadly. I think we are going to be subject to &quot;trickle down&quot; spotty or inconsistent expertise in these areas coming from new teacher graduates. So, it is all the more urgent that school districts provide their new teachers with quality professional development in this area, is this is a field that is constantly changing and evolving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sandy, good points all around. Hot discussions have been taking place now for quite a while on problems related to teachers not being information literate in a digital world. As someone who works in higher education, I couldn&#8217;t agree more that preservice teacher training needs to improve substantially  in all areas of technology, including digital information literacies. However, often those same institutions are experiencing the very same problems that you are describing&#8230; lack of funds, lack of knowledgeable faculty, lack of room in already packed programs for dedicated courses on information technologies, political wranglings&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see sweeping changes happening any time soon, sadly. I think we are going to be subject to &#8220;trickle down&#8221; spotty or inconsistent expertise in these areas coming from new teacher graduates. So, it is all the more urgent that school districts provide their new teachers with quality professional development in this area, is this is a field that is constantly changing and evolving.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy Wagner</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/filter-fun/comment-page-2/#comment-59958</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,
I am both a district administrator and the IT director in our district.  I am a firm believer in open access.  Google images, facebook, outside email, and many other sites that most schools block, I fight to keep open.

The issue of educating our kids to be responsible is a big part of the discussion here, but not all of it.  Do we put playboy magazines in our libraries and tell kids, &quot;it is there but don&#039;t look at it&quot;?  Some things are blocked because they are simply too big a distraction and too tempting for the kids.  I block many online gaming sites simply because there is just too much traffic to them during school time.  Even when something is perfectly safe for our kids, it is not imperative to provide access to it in school.

The issue of teachers being blocked is a totally different one.  This is truly unacceptable and lacks any professionalism whatsoever.  However, the filtering system used by our district only allows for one level of access.  Unfortunately, changing this is an expense the district is not willing to take on at the moment because our filter is deemed as &quot;effective&quot; by our Board of Ed.

I could open YouTube.  I won&#039;t.  Not because of kids.  Our teachers are poorly equipped to instruct and monitor student use.  I am working with staff developers to improve this, but it is a slow process.  It pains me to know there is incredible content on YouTube that is hard or impossible to find elsewhere.  However there is so much content that is clearly inappropriate and some downright dangerous that without extensive training of 400+ teachers I cannot in good faith open it without feeling that students are being placed in a dangerous situation.

This is an issue that has been with us since the Internet has come into our schools.  There is no easy answer.  Allowing kids to explore and learn in a world that teachers are not comfortable in, not knowledgeable in, and in some cases not even aware of, is not something I would recommend as an educator.  Teacher preparation must improve.  Teaching information literacy will be impossible until our teachers are actually information literate themselves.  From my experience, most are not, including many new teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,<br />
I am both a district administrator and the IT director in our district.  I am a firm believer in open access.  Google images, facebook, outside email, and many other sites that most schools block, I fight to keep open.</p>
<p>The issue of educating our kids to be responsible is a big part of the discussion here, but not all of it.  Do we put playboy magazines in our libraries and tell kids, &#8220;it is there but don&#8217;t look at it&#8221;?  Some things are blocked because they are simply too big a distraction and too tempting for the kids.  I block many online gaming sites simply because there is just too much traffic to them during school time.  Even when something is perfectly safe for our kids, it is not imperative to provide access to it in school.</p>
<p>The issue of teachers being blocked is a totally different one.  This is truly unacceptable and lacks any professionalism whatsoever.  However, the filtering system used by our district only allows for one level of access.  Unfortunately, changing this is an expense the district is not willing to take on at the moment because our filter is deemed as &#8220;effective&#8221; by our Board of Ed.</p>
<p>I could open YouTube.  I won&#8217;t.  Not because of kids.  Our teachers are poorly equipped to instruct and monitor student use.  I am working with staff developers to improve this, but it is a slow process.  It pains me to know there is incredible content on YouTube that is hard or impossible to find elsewhere.  However there is so much content that is clearly inappropriate and some downright dangerous that without extensive training of 400+ teachers I cannot in good faith open it without feeling that students are being placed in a dangerous situation.</p>
<p>This is an issue that has been with us since the Internet has come into our schools.  There is no easy answer.  Allowing kids to explore and learn in a world that teachers are not comfortable in, not knowledgeable in, and in some cases not even aware of, is not something I would recommend as an educator.  Teacher preparation must improve.  Teaching information literacy will be impossible until our teachers are actually information literate themselves.  From my experience, most are not, including many new teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ransom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Ransom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all of the proxy services out there, students often have no problem bypassing may school filters. Maybe teachers should try using them. Here is a list of 35 of them. My favorite is &quot;HideMyAss.com (the name says it all). It even states on their home page that it is a great service to use to bypass work/school web filters.
http://www.bestproxysites.com/

Don&#039;t violate your AUP because of me, though ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all of the proxy services out there, students often have no problem bypassing may school filters. Maybe teachers should try using them. Here is a list of 35 of them. My favorite is &#8220;HideMyAss.com (the name says it all). It even states on their home page that it is a great service to use to bypass work/school web filters.<br />
<a href="http://www.bestproxysites.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bestproxysites.com/</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t violate your AUP because of me, though <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Josh Medsker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Medsker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I&#039;m a newbie to this. Trying to put together a presentation on blogging in education. Im the one getting an education. I&#039;m a student teacher on Long Island, and my school has a system set up (like the one you mention in the post here.)

it seems to work very well. the students don&#039;t have any beefs with it, and the teachers are able to block and unblock at will. 

perhaps it comes down to having good line of communication between the teachers and admin. i don&#039;t know. just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m a newbie to this. Trying to put together a presentation on blogging in education. Im the one getting an education. I&#8217;m a student teacher on Long Island, and my school has a system set up (like the one you mention in the post here.)</p>
<p>it seems to work very well. the students don&#8217;t have any beefs with it, and the teachers are able to block and unblock at will. </p>
<p>perhaps it comes down to having good line of communication between the teachers and admin. i don&#8217;t know. just a thought.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Blocking Specific Websites: On a Mac Computer &#171; My Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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