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		<title>By: Theo Kuechel</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-56085</link>
		<dc:creator>Theo Kuechel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If AP are so worried or precious about their &#039;content&#039; perhaps they should stick their &#039;content&#039; behind a password or subscription service - lets see how many would subscribe. Or perhaps, AP  really object to linking and pull quotes - they might do better to stick to traditional print media! How on earth can a adding a link or using a pull quote equate to  stealing their property? One would suppose tit  get traffic to their site, to read the original?  Seems to me they don&#039;t understand the dynamics of the web, or they might just be stupid. How they define an extract or a quote as &#039;property;&#039; is beyond me.

Your throwaway line about &quot;folks who think that everything should be free.&quot; does not add any value to the debate. For example people who choose to use &#039;free&#039; content such as the LOC on Flickr, but will happily pay for other services that give them value for their money. Might I suspect a quote from AP seems unlikely to fall into that category

Or, of course you comment might just be a &#039;wind up&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If AP are so worried or precious about their &#8216;content&#8217; perhaps they should stick their &#8216;content&#8217; behind a password or subscription service &#8211; lets see how many would subscribe. Or perhaps, AP  really object to linking and pull quotes &#8211; they might do better to stick to traditional print media! How on earth can a adding a link or using a pull quote equate to  stealing their property? One would suppose tit  get traffic to their site, to read the original?  Seems to me they don&#8217;t understand the dynamics of the web, or they might just be stupid. How they define an extract or a quote as &#8216;property;&#8217; is beyond me.</p>
<p>Your throwaway line about &#8220;folks who think that everything should be free.&#8221; does not add any value to the debate. For example people who choose to use &#8216;free&#8217; content such as the LOC on Flickr, but will happily pay for other services that give them value for their money. Might I suspect a quote from AP seems unlikely to fall into that category</p>
<p>Or, of course you comment might just be a &#8216;wind up&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: edfoc.us &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Here Comes the AP: One Question Answered</title>
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		<dc:creator>edfoc.us &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Here Comes the AP: One Question Answered</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] going to follow and teach the safe route, proper citations, when it isn&#8217;t possible to &#8220;send the reader back to the original to see the context for the writing&#8221; (Richardson, 2008, June 18). I might even switch to formal citations when I don&#8217;t need [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] going to follow and teach the safe route, proper citations, when it isn&#8217;t possible to &#8220;send the reader back to the original to see the context for the writing&#8221; (Richardson, 2008, June 18). I might even switch to formal citations when I don&#8217;t need [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Arthus Erea</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-56029</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthus Erea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You hit the nail on its head. This is the exact right (fair use) which the AP is attempting to do away with. Fortunately, the AP isn&#039;t a governing body and can&#039;t make its own copyright law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You hit the nail on its head. This is the exact right (fair use) which the AP is attempting to do away with. Fortunately, the AP isn&#8217;t a governing body and can&#8217;t make its own copyright law.</p>
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		<title>By: ldtchr</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-56028</link>
		<dc:creator>ldtchr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 02:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This may be oversimplifying, but don&#039;t writers from a magazine, etc.. get paid by said publication? If I go to the  library or read a newspaper and use a quote from a paper-text is that not similar to linking in a blog? As long as it is cited, it does not violate copyright, though again that is a simplified understanding I&#039;m sure. Many news sites ask for membership fees to access content perhaps AP should think about that route, though they are also entitled to choose how they want to share, or market, their words with the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may be oversimplifying, but don&#8217;t writers from a magazine, etc.. get paid by said publication? If I go to the  library or read a newspaper and use a quote from a paper-text is that not similar to linking in a blog? As long as it is cited, it does not violate copyright, though again that is a simplified understanding I&#8217;m sure. Many news sites ask for membership fees to access content perhaps AP should think about that route, though they are also entitled to choose how they want to share, or market, their words with the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthus Erea</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-56011</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthus Erea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You obviously do not understand fair use. Read 

&lt;blockquote&gt;US COPYRIGHT ACT, Chapter 1, § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include --

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Tell me: how does excerpting 50 words of an AP article when talking about an election *not* fall under fair use?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously do not understand fair use. Read </p>
<blockquote><p>US COPYRIGHT ACT, Chapter 1, § 107. Limitations on exclusive rights: Fair use</p>
<p>Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include &#8211;</p>
<p>(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;</p>
<p>(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;</p>
<p>(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and</p>
<p>(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.</p>
<p>The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors.</p></blockquote>
<p>Tell me: how does excerpting 50 words of an AP article when talking about an election *not* fall under fair use?</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fitzgerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gary, @Terry -- 

Positing this as an either/or is both a misdirection and an oversimplification. While there are plenty of people who feel entitled to anything for free, we don&#039;t need to accept that view as a valid concluding point to the discussion. I see this as an unfortunate consequence to the many interesting (and shortlived) web20 services that used free as a business model.

Commodifying content, in the manner of traditional publishing/IP law (think DRM, Mickey Mouse, etc) doesn&#039;t seem to be working. Rather than wringing our hands about the miserable freeloaders who want everything for free, I suggest we focus our efforts on a balanced approach that compensates content creators for their work while supporting fair use of that content.

But pitching this as an us/them does little to further that discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gary, @Terry &#8212; </p>
<p>Positing this as an either/or is both a misdirection and an oversimplification. While there are plenty of people who feel entitled to anything for free, we don&#8217;t need to accept that view as a valid concluding point to the discussion. I see this as an unfortunate consequence to the many interesting (and shortlived) web20 services that used free as a business model.</p>
<p>Commodifying content, in the manner of traditional publishing/IP law (think DRM, Mickey Mouse, etc) doesn&#8217;t seem to be working. Rather than wringing our hands about the miserable freeloaders who want everything for free, I suggest we focus our efforts on a balanced approach that compensates content creators for their work while supporting fair use of that content.</p>
<p>But pitching this as an us/them does little to further that discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-56002</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I share your horror at the questionable design of the magazine&#039;s web site. That said, they pay me to write for them and then get th right to deface my work in any way they please :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share your horror at the questionable design of the magazine&#8217;s web site. That said, they pay me to write for them and then get th right to deface my work in any way they please <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gary S. Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-56000</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary S. Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:09:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

The zeal expressed by copyright holders trying to maintain value in their property is matched, if not surpassed by the folks who think that everything should be free.

I understand fair use. I also understand that producers have a right to try and profit from their efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>The zeal expressed by copyright holders trying to maintain value in their property is matched, if not surpassed by the folks who think that everything should be free.</p>
<p>I understand fair use. I also understand that producers have a right to try and profit from their efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Freedman</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-55999</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Freedman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more, Gary, as I said in my rant 2 years ago: http://terry-freedman.org.uk/artman/publish/article_565.php. The web seems to be full of people who think everyone apart from themselves can exist on air!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more, Gary, as I said in my rant 2 years ago: <a href="http://terry-freedman.org.uk/artman/publish/article_565.php" rel="nofollow">http://terry-freedman.org.uk/artman/publish/article_565.php</a>. The web seems to be full of people who think everyone apart from themselves can exist on air!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Fitzgerald</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-55997</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Fitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary,

While your sarcasm is duly noted, it&#039;s called fair use: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html

I posted in more detail on my blog.

Cheers,

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary,</p>
<p>While your sarcasm is duly noted, it&#8217;s called fair use: <a href="http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html</a></p>
<p>I posted in more detail on my blog.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: TroyJMorris</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2008/blogging-ethics/comment-page-1/#comment-55996</link>
		<dc:creator>TroyJMorris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And really, a good blogger links back to the original AP story, so chances are you&#039;re gaining an audience and visits to a site.

The AP, if I&#039;m not mistaken from my college experience, gets paid by story pick ups by newspapers.  Is this their attempted entry into the online world?  By having new media pay for the same rights?  Seems like they missed the pricing mark then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And really, a good blogger links back to the original AP story, so chances are you&#8217;re gaining an audience and visits to a site.</p>
<p>The AP, if I&#8217;m not mistaken from my college experience, gets paid by story pick ups by newspapers.  Is this their attempted entry into the online world?  By having new media pay for the same rights?  Seems like they missed the pricing mark then.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teachers aren&#039;t paid for their content (one hopes), but for their time, their expertise, the way in which they arrange and deliver content, etc.

Sure, you could just spend a few years in a public library or surfing through the web, but you&#039;d have no one there to help you understand how the information is organized, how to situate it within appropriate contexts, or how to acquire the skills necessary to work with and produce content of your own.

I&#039;m not arguing that all &quot;ip&quot; should be &quot;free as in beer&quot; ... certainly journalists (if they&#039;re any good) do similar work to teachers: researching, arranging, and situating information. That&#039;s work, and they should be paid for that work.

But information cannot be anything other than &quot;free as in liberty&quot; unless we all suddenly decide that democracy is a very bad idea and we&#039;d prefer to be told only what the state feels we need to know (or the &quot;content creators&quot; feel we should have access to).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teachers aren&#8217;t paid for their content (one hopes), but for their time, their expertise, the way in which they arrange and deliver content, etc.</p>
<p>Sure, you could just spend a few years in a public library or surfing through the web, but you&#8217;d have no one there to help you understand how the information is organized, how to situate it within appropriate contexts, or how to acquire the skills necessary to work with and produce content of your own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not arguing that all &#8220;ip&#8221; should be &#8220;free as in beer&#8221; &#8230; certainly journalists (if they&#8217;re any good) do similar work to teachers: researching, arranging, and situating information. That&#8217;s work, and they should be paid for that work.</p>
<p>But information cannot be anything other than &#8220;free as in liberty&#8221; unless we all suddenly decide that democracy is a very bad idea and we&#8217;d prefer to be told only what the state feels we need to know (or the &#8220;content creators&#8221; feel we should have access to).</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Here’s a suggestion for edubloggers who believe that all intellectual property should be free - let’s stop paying teachers.&lt;&lt;I&gt;&gt;C’mon teachers, get on board and do your job for free! Conferences can pay keynote speakers with links, rather than that tired old money.&lt;&lt;

Hmmmm... does this mean he&#039;ll get rid of all those ugly, user-annoying ad links on district administration dot com?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Here’s a suggestion for edubloggers who believe that all intellectual property should be free &#8211; let’s stop paying teachers.&lt;<i>&gt;C’mon teachers, get on board and do your job for free! Conferences can pay keynote speakers with links, rather than that tired old money.&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Hmmmm&#8230; does this mean he&#8217;ll get rid of all those ugly, user-annoying ad links on district administration dot com?</i></p>
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		<title>By: Betty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Betty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not as tech savvy as the other commenters, but it seems to me that quoting someone is a compliment and should be accepted as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not as tech savvy as the other commenters, but it seems to me that quoting someone is a compliment and should be accepted as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Weblogg-ed &#187; $12.50 for Five Words</title>
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		<dc:creator>Weblogg-ed &#187; $12.50 for Five Words</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out is important for our own understanding of how to teach this stuff to our kids. I know that Gary&#8217;s comment on my previous post about this is an important point in the debate despite his cynicism, and I hope [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] out is important for our own understanding of how to teach this stuff to our kids. I know that Gary&#8217;s comment on my previous post about this is an important point in the debate despite his cynicism, and I hope [...]</p>
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