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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a 2002 HS grade who now works in education, I assess the schools I attended based on how well they helped me achieve my potential.  I feel like they did a good job of teaching me the basics, fostering problem-solving skills, and provided some great technology classes. I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever in my life have trouble finding a job that pays at least the median household income for my area, nor will I ever have a problem living within my means.

I really feel like they let me down on more personal skills. It took me a long time to learn that most people deserve the benefit of the doubt and that I can&#039;t judge a person based on one thing I don&#039;t like about them. I still feel like I have to put a lot of effort into being as sociable as I want to be, and I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll ever be as bold and adventurous as I want to be.

It&#039;s really hard to determine whether these are failures of the school or not. My parents probably played a larger role in who I became, and maybe I&#039;m just upset that I&#039;m not exactly who I&#039;m supposed to be (maybe that just means I should be disappointed that my schools didn&#039;t instill more confidence and self-worth). I suppose to be scientific I&#039;d have to develop what fair criteria for success would be for &quot;helping me reach my potential&quot;, then judge the schools against that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a 2002 HS grade who now works in education, I assess the schools I attended based on how well they helped me achieve my potential.  I feel like they did a good job of teaching me the basics, fostering problem-solving skills, and provided some great technology classes. I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever in my life have trouble finding a job that pays at least the median household income for my area, nor will I ever have a problem living within my means.</p>
<p>I really feel like they let me down on more personal skills. It took me a long time to learn that most people deserve the benefit of the doubt and that I can&#8217;t judge a person based on one thing I don&#8217;t like about them. I still feel like I have to put a lot of effort into being as sociable as I want to be, and I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ll ever be as bold and adventurous as I want to be.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really hard to determine whether these are failures of the school or not. My parents probably played a larger role in who I became, and maybe I&#8217;m just upset that I&#8217;m not exactly who I&#8217;m supposed to be (maybe that just means I should be disappointed that my schools didn&#8217;t instill more confidence and self-worth). I suppose to be scientific I&#8217;d have to develop what fair criteria for success would be for &#8220;helping me reach my potential&#8221;, then judge the schools against that.</p>
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		<title>By: Guide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 04:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe many teachers have best interest in mind for their students, but not all teachers. Some teachers in private schools do not have the necessary skills and qualifications in their subject, and yet this is the problem that needed to be solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe many teachers have best interest in mind for their students, but not all teachers. Some teachers in private schools do not have the necessary skills and qualifications in their subject, and yet this is the problem that needed to be solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Carbonneau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Carbonneau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always believed that teachers had the best interest in mind for their students.  As a seventh grade English/language arts teacher, that is what I do.  I keep their abilities and interests in mind and challenge them to reach higher in their personal achievment.  I used to think it wasn&#039;t necessary to request elementary &quot;self-contained&quot; teachers--all teachers provide the same quality education.  And then I had children; they are aged five and three.  My five-year-old will be startng kindergarten next year, and from my research (both sought and parent provided with out inquisition) there is only one of the four teachers in our kindergarten that does what I have described.  Why is that?  That, to me, means that parents in the know will request that one teacher and the others will send their student to less adequate teachers.  How can this be?  Why do teachers continue to hold their jobs if they are not doing them?  Why don&#039;t administrators do something about them?  By the time these very same students reach seventh grade, as the only seventh grade English teacher in the system, I see the gap.  All I need to do is track my students&#039; teachers backward to determine the best teachers for my children.  How fair is this?  I think that by the time high school rolls around for my children their opportunities will be more vast than having to deal with a teacher-centered environment.  I wonder about balancing my role as a teacher and parent in the same school system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always believed that teachers had the best interest in mind for their students.  As a seventh grade English/language arts teacher, that is what I do.  I keep their abilities and interests in mind and challenge them to reach higher in their personal achievment.  I used to think it wasn&#8217;t necessary to request elementary &#8220;self-contained&#8221; teachers&#8211;all teachers provide the same quality education.  And then I had children; they are aged five and three.  My five-year-old will be startng kindergarten next year, and from my research (both sought and parent provided with out inquisition) there is only one of the four teachers in our kindergarten that does what I have described.  Why is that?  That, to me, means that parents in the know will request that one teacher and the others will send their student to less adequate teachers.  How can this be?  Why do teachers continue to hold their jobs if they are not doing them?  Why don&#8217;t administrators do something about them?  By the time these very same students reach seventh grade, as the only seventh grade English teacher in the system, I see the gap.  All I need to do is track my students&#8217; teachers backward to determine the best teachers for my children.  How fair is this?  I think that by the time high school rolls around for my children their opportunities will be more vast than having to deal with a teacher-centered environment.  I wonder about balancing my role as a teacher and parent in the same school system.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Nielsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think about this often as I visit schools throughout New York City.  One model of education I&#039;ve become enamored with as of late is the Schoolwide Enrichment Model which suggests that educators should examine ways to make schools more inviting, friendly, and enjoyable places that encourage the full development of the learner instead of seeing students as a repository for information that will be assessed with the next round of standardized tests. 

I was thoroughly impressed during a recent visit to one such school which I blogged about at http://tinyurl.com/IslandSchool.  Though this particular school is K-8, the lessons observed are applicable for high school and beyond.  It was remarkable and impressive to experience a school where all children actively and authentically pursue, discuss, develop and discover their talents and where each teacher is aware s/he is in a school full of remarkably and uniquely talented students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think about this often as I visit schools throughout New York City.  One model of education I&#8217;ve become enamored with as of late is the Schoolwide Enrichment Model which suggests that educators should examine ways to make schools more inviting, friendly, and enjoyable places that encourage the full development of the learner instead of seeing students as a repository for information that will be assessed with the next round of standardized tests. </p>
<p>I was thoroughly impressed during a recent visit to one such school which I blogged about at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/IslandSchool" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/IslandSchool</a>.  Though this particular school is K-8, the lessons observed are applicable for high school and beyond.  It was remarkable and impressive to experience a school where all children actively and authentically pursue, discuss, develop and discover their talents and where each teacher is aware s/he is in a school full of remarkably and uniquely talented students.</p>
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		<title>By: Mario Asselin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mario Asselin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I blogged about this yesterday, http://www.youngestblogger.com/ and this morning, I was thinking at this post that inspired me few times ago on my blog. I think that those young bloggers listed there could interest you...

I wonder what are they tinking of school?

Happy New Year from Québec Will and others...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I blogged about this yesterday, <a href="http://www.youngestblogger.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.youngestblogger.com/</a> and this morning, I was thinking at this post that inspired me few times ago on my blog. I think that those young bloggers listed there could interest you&#8230;</p>
<p>I wonder what are they tinking of school?</p>
<p>Happy New Year from Québec Will and others&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Claire Hertz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Claire Hertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should consider running for the school board - any district would be fortunate to have you as part of their leadership.</description>
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		<title>By: Sue King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 01:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As always, Will, you raise an interesting issue! As a building principal in a &quot;high-performing school district,&quot; I believe I have to be an advocate for those children who do not have parents who can do that or know to do that for their kids. Those are the students who generally cannot get GIEPs to help guarantee engaging and interesting learning activities and assessments, who cannot get into AP courses, and often lose interest in their schooling. Transforming a school in order to create engaging, meaningful, and relevant learning experiences for all students not only requires teachers and school personnel who are dedicated (we do have a number of those), but it also requires people in the community who understand the benefits of such a learning environment and who understand that there is more to education than GPA&#039;s, AP courses, SAT scores, and acceptance into Ivy-league schools. I do believe that there are drastically different issues in suburban schools as compared to inner-city and rural schools. Well-financed suburban schools are often those where I see the strongest desire to maintain the very traditional vision of a &quot;good school&quot; - those that emphasize, the SATs, GPAs, AP offerings. I believe students can be very successful in these traditional measures WITHOUT making them the focus of the structure of a school. However, if those things ARE the focus - there are a number of students who are definitely left out of the picture. Those are your kids who are going to appear to be unmotivated and lazy. They are really disenfranchised because of the system - and the ones who require advocates from within the ranks. What keeps me awake at night (since my children are already through school) is how to challenge the status quo in these schools!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As always, Will, you raise an interesting issue! As a building principal in a &#8220;high-performing school district,&#8221; I believe I have to be an advocate for those children who do not have parents who can do that or know to do that for their kids. Those are the students who generally cannot get GIEPs to help guarantee engaging and interesting learning activities and assessments, who cannot get into AP courses, and often lose interest in their schooling. Transforming a school in order to create engaging, meaningful, and relevant learning experiences for all students not only requires teachers and school personnel who are dedicated (we do have a number of those), but it also requires people in the community who understand the benefits of such a learning environment and who understand that there is more to education than GPA&#8217;s, AP courses, SAT scores, and acceptance into Ivy-league schools. I do believe that there are drastically different issues in suburban schools as compared to inner-city and rural schools. Well-financed suburban schools are often those where I see the strongest desire to maintain the very traditional vision of a &#8220;good school&#8221; &#8211; those that emphasize, the SATs, GPAs, AP offerings. I believe students can be very successful in these traditional measures WITHOUT making them the focus of the structure of a school. However, if those things ARE the focus &#8211; there are a number of students who are definitely left out of the picture. Those are your kids who are going to appear to be unmotivated and lazy. They are really disenfranchised because of the system &#8211; and the ones who require advocates from within the ranks. What keeps me awake at night (since my children are already through school) is how to challenge the status quo in these schools!</p>
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		<title>By: Julia Osteen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia Osteen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Will. I am wondering what answers you would get if you asked the kids this question. I know my own son tells me things like, &quot;Schools don&#039;t care if kids learn; teachers just want you to tell them back the information they gave you&quot; and &quot;If you want to think you have to do it outside of school time.&quot; Take a look at my post about teaching kids to think: &lt;a href=&quot;http://reflectionsfromthetrenches.blogspot.com/2008/12/getting-students-to-think-could-mean.html&quot; title=&quot;Getting Students to Think Could Mean Asking Them What They Think&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Of course, I am encouraging my son who is now a junior in high school to be part of the solution. Maybe he would want to be a teacher and help to change education? Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Will. I am wondering what answers you would get if you asked the kids this question. I know my own son tells me things like, &#8220;Schools don&#8217;t care if kids learn; teachers just want you to tell them back the information they gave you&#8221; and &#8220;If you want to think you have to do it outside of school time.&#8221; Take a look at my post about teaching kids to think: <a href="http://reflectionsfromthetrenches.blogspot.com/2008/12/getting-students-to-think-could-mean.html" title="Getting Students to Think Could Mean Asking Them What They Think" rel="nofollow"> Of course, I am encouraging my son who is now a junior in high school to be part of the solution. Maybe he would want to be a teacher and help to change education? Just a thought.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gary

Not sure if we have met. I&#039;m currently Principal at Elsternwick Primary School.

Mark Walker
www.mwalker.com.au</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gary</p>
<p>Not sure if we have met. I&#8217;m currently Principal at Elsternwick Primary School.</p>
<p>Mark Walker<br />
<a href="http://www.mwalker.com.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.mwalker.com.au</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not all students are going to love to learn all the subjects they need to be taught in school (especially elementary school where they are exposed to a variety of disciplines.) Many of my fifth graders do not love to learn to improve their writing : ) My job is to empathize, ooze enthusiasm, and encourage every small success. Not all students will be brilliant writers, nor do they need to be. But, they should be given the tools to write more effectively (and they won&#039;t necessarily love acquiring those skills!) 

Students become apathetic when they are discouraged, when they feel like failures, when they give up. This is caused by a variety of factors. Good teachers do try, and are sometimes successful reaching these students, but often the overriding negative societal influences are too powerful. Some students do not see the relevance of their school experience and when these students attend inadequate schools they become even more disconnected, frustrated, and unsuccessful. A vicious cycle. I read a statistic tonight: When interviewed later in life, 88% of dropouts report that they had passing grades in high school. (&lt;a HREF=&quot;http://www.kdp.org/publications/kdp.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kappa Delta Pi Record&lt;/A&gt;, Winter 2009) What a shame they dropped out then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not all students are going to love to learn all the subjects they need to be taught in school (especially elementary school where they are exposed to a variety of disciplines.) Many of my fifth graders do not love to learn to improve their writing : ) My job is to empathize, ooze enthusiasm, and encourage every small success. Not all students will be brilliant writers, nor do they need to be. But, they should be given the tools to write more effectively (and they won&#8217;t necessarily love acquiring those skills!) </p>
<p>Students become apathetic when they are discouraged, when they feel like failures, when they give up. This is caused by a variety of factors. Good teachers do try, and are sometimes successful reaching these students, but often the overriding negative societal influences are too powerful. Some students do not see the relevance of their school experience and when these students attend inadequate schools they become even more disconnected, frustrated, and unsuccessful. A vicious cycle. I read a statistic tonight: When interviewed later in life, 88% of dropouts report that they had passing grades in high school. (<a HREF="http://www.kdp.org/publications/kdp.php" rel="nofollow">Kappa Delta Pi Record</a>, Winter 2009) What a shame they dropped out then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you’re interested, you can predict a child’s SAT score (old one based on 1,600 points.)  Family income / 100 = SAT Score&quot;

I get what you&#039;re trying to say here.  I do.  I am an educator of nearly 20 years, married to a hotshot educator of 5 years.

However-  these generalizations (whether they be about troubled kids or advantaged kids) do little to help any of us on the ground level.  They do characterize the scope and nature of the issue.  But I would bet that most teachers would want to do more than just &quot;hold true to the statistics.&quot;

I promise you...  that my dad of likely $40,000 when I was in grade school (mom raised us on the homefront) got way more than this statistic for his dollar earned.  I can also tell you that I would put my retirement on my daughters getting better than that with two educators as parents. 

I know... I know.  You are likely spot-on with the statistics.  I can also tell you that parents could give a damn less about a statistic.  Administrators...  even technology experts... can play around with such numbers.  While they have their purpose for &quot;stage one&quot; thinking and planning... they don&#039;t do one damn thing for a kid sitting in either your living room- nor your classroom.

I get it-  there are always &quot;exceptions.&quot;  But what I would argue is:  ALL kids are exceptions in their own way.

I do agree on the kind of product delivered by all elite schools.  They tend to offer a high-end peer group, but not necessarily the best environment for a rich education for all kids.

Sean</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you’re interested, you can predict a child’s SAT score (old one based on 1,600 points.)  Family income / 100 = SAT Score&#8221;</p>
<p>I get what you&#8217;re trying to say here.  I do.  I am an educator of nearly 20 years, married to a hotshot educator of 5 years.</p>
<p>However-  these generalizations (whether they be about troubled kids or advantaged kids) do little to help any of us on the ground level.  They do characterize the scope and nature of the issue.  But I would bet that most teachers would want to do more than just &#8220;hold true to the statistics.&#8221;</p>
<p>I promise you&#8230;  that my dad of likely $40,000 when I was in grade school (mom raised us on the homefront) got way more than this statistic for his dollar earned.  I can also tell you that I would put my retirement on my daughters getting better than that with two educators as parents. </p>
<p>I know&#8230; I know.  You are likely spot-on with the statistics.  I can also tell you that parents could give a damn less about a statistic.  Administrators&#8230;  even technology experts&#8230; can play around with such numbers.  While they have their purpose for &#8220;stage one&#8221; thinking and planning&#8230; they don&#8217;t do one damn thing for a kid sitting in either your living room- nor your classroom.</p>
<p>I get it-  there are always &#8220;exceptions.&#8221;  But what I would argue is:  ALL kids are exceptions in their own way.</p>
<p>I do agree on the kind of product delivered by all elite schools.  They tend to offer a high-end peer group, but not necessarily the best environment for a rich education for all kids.</p>
<p>Sean</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Hines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Hines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This question is one that I think about a lot, mostly because my children attend the school where I teach. In some ways, I think it makes it more difficult. I have twin boys in kindergarten. Right now, as active and smart 5 year olds, I want them to maintain a positive attitude about school while being equipped with the tools they need in order to be successful in the next stages of their lives. As I consider it further, that&#039;s what I want for them throughout their schooling - a positive attitude about their educational experiences and the skills they need to be successful in a changing world. If you talk to the kids in classes that use the technology and skills that I, personally, find essential, they are both engaged and enthusiastic about learning!

For me, the assessing questions would be for the students. What do you think about schools? What connections are you making between your learning and your life? Do you feel ready for the choices that you have ahead of you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This question is one that I think about a lot, mostly because my children attend the school where I teach. In some ways, I think it makes it more difficult. I have twin boys in kindergarten. Right now, as active and smart 5 year olds, I want them to maintain a positive attitude about school while being equipped with the tools they need in order to be successful in the next stages of their lives. As I consider it further, that&#8217;s what I want for them throughout their schooling &#8211; a positive attitude about their educational experiences and the skills they need to be successful in a changing world. If you talk to the kids in classes that use the technology and skills that I, personally, find essential, they are both engaged and enthusiastic about learning!</p>
<p>For me, the assessing questions would be for the students. What do you think about schools? What connections are you making between your learning and your life? Do you feel ready for the choices that you have ahead of you?</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Stager, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

Which school are you at? Have we met?

Gary</description>
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<p>Which school are you at? Have we met?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an interesting question - one I ponder on two fronts: as a principal of a school - I do the prospective parents school tours - and as a parent of two teenagers in high school in Melbourne Victoria. 

As a principal I know my messages have changed over time [I do about 20 tours per year]. I mention high academic scores, inquiry learning focus, special programs [sports, music, art tec..], student well being,  but I think my main message for parents and teachers alike is the challenges of 21st learners - if we are not challenged we are not listening.

As a parent I want to hear about teacher high expectations, support systems for leaners [e.g. relationships with adults], safe learning environments, additional programs that will engage teenagers [e.g. they have a camp to central Australia], approachability if things go wrong and finally that they have made friends. 

I don&#039;t expect my students to achieve high academic standards without study, perserverance etc... and the school supoporting them with quality instruction, high expectations, challenge and feedback. 

For the most part this is all we can expect and learn to have a little resilience and cope with ups and downs. 

Thanks for the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an interesting question &#8211; one I ponder on two fronts: as a principal of a school &#8211; I do the prospective parents school tours &#8211; and as a parent of two teenagers in high school in Melbourne Victoria. </p>
<p>As a principal I know my messages have changed over time [I do about 20 tours per year]. I mention high academic scores, inquiry learning focus, special programs [sports, music, art tec..], student well being,  but I think my main message for parents and teachers alike is the challenges of 21st learners &#8211; if we are not challenged we are not listening.</p>
<p>As a parent I want to hear about teacher high expectations, support systems for leaners [e.g. relationships with adults], safe learning environments, additional programs that will engage teenagers [e.g. they have a camp to central Australia], approachability if things go wrong and finally that they have made friends. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t expect my students to achieve high academic standards without study, perserverance etc&#8230; and the school supoporting them with quality instruction, high expectations, challenge and feedback. </p>
<p>For the most part this is all we can expect and learn to have a little resilience and cope with ups and downs. </p>
<p>Thanks for the post.</p>
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		<title>By: J. D. Wilson, Jr.</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. D. Wilson, Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not believe in lazy students. I think those qualities in students we label &quot;laziness&quot; mask other things. Sometimes it is simply that students just do not see the value of education. In many cases, though, I think it is because a student would rather be thought lazy than stupid and they think if they try they will fail and feel stupid. I think the way to beat &quot;laziness&quot; in students is to build curiosity and self-confidence.

We require everyone to be prepared for college and I think this a good thing. As a dyslexic student I was tracked into a vocational program that my parents could only get me out of by putting me in a private school. I know first hand tracking is not a good thing but I also know students whose interests are not academic who would like more freedom to pursue those interests.

This can be very difficult to do in an educational environment driven by standardized tests. I think most of the teachers I work with (I&#039;m in the English Department so those are the teachers I see) are fine teachers and there are some that are absolutely exemplary. But the comments made at the holiday party reveal most everything, I think. We are driven to teach to tests because those that run the schools think nothing is more important than PSAT scores, than having a lot of AP classes in which students do reasonably well, and of course doing well on the state standardized tests required for graduation (ours is MCAS). Teachers spend so much time teaching to these tests because it is the primary criteria by which they are assessed. 

There are only so many hours in the day and I think many of the problems of modern education have more to do with time than money. Money is needed to get schools where they need to be technologically (a very expensive proposition especially in light of how quickly the technology becomes obsolete). But paying a teacher $100,000 plus (not that I would object of course) will not put two or three additional hours into a day.

Most people want to feel good about the work they do so they do the kind of work that is going to be acknowledged as good work. To change this we have to change the way those that run schools look at education and the people that educate. I have always loved learning (perhaps in part because those in authority when I was a child wouldn&#039;t let me). I would like to think most of my students share that enthusiasm or could be brought to the place where they contract that enthusiasm.

Cordially,
J. D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not believe in lazy students. I think those qualities in students we label &#8220;laziness&#8221; mask other things. Sometimes it is simply that students just do not see the value of education. In many cases, though, I think it is because a student would rather be thought lazy than stupid and they think if they try they will fail and feel stupid. I think the way to beat &#8220;laziness&#8221; in students is to build curiosity and self-confidence.</p>
<p>We require everyone to be prepared for college and I think this a good thing. As a dyslexic student I was tracked into a vocational program that my parents could only get me out of by putting me in a private school. I know first hand tracking is not a good thing but I also know students whose interests are not academic who would like more freedom to pursue those interests.</p>
<p>This can be very difficult to do in an educational environment driven by standardized tests. I think most of the teachers I work with (I&#8217;m in the English Department so those are the teachers I see) are fine teachers and there are some that are absolutely exemplary. But the comments made at the holiday party reveal most everything, I think. We are driven to teach to tests because those that run the schools think nothing is more important than PSAT scores, than having a lot of AP classes in which students do reasonably well, and of course doing well on the state standardized tests required for graduation (ours is MCAS). Teachers spend so much time teaching to these tests because it is the primary criteria by which they are assessed. </p>
<p>There are only so many hours in the day and I think many of the problems of modern education have more to do with time than money. Money is needed to get schools where they need to be technologically (a very expensive proposition especially in light of how quickly the technology becomes obsolete). But paying a teacher $100,000 plus (not that I would object of course) will not put two or three additional hours into a day.</p>
<p>Most people want to feel good about the work they do so they do the kind of work that is going to be acknowledged as good work. To change this we have to change the way those that run schools look at education and the people that educate. I have always loved learning (perhaps in part because those in authority when I was a child wouldn&#8217;t let me). I would like to think most of my students share that enthusiasm or could be brought to the place where they contract that enthusiasm.</p>
<p>Cordially,<br />
J. D.</p>
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