Comments on: Web 2.0 as “Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe” http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/ Learning with the Read/Write Web Tue, 19 Jul 2011 20:36:16 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Always Something New » Teaching with Blogs http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25731 Always Something New » Teaching with Blogs Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:24:47 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25731 [...] Will mentions a book he posted about a little while back by Andrew Keen, titled Culture of the Amateu. The book is about the dumbing down of information b/c of blogs. According to Technorati there are 65 million blogs out there with 2 million posts a day. Not all of these are quality. (The need for literacy and evaluation skills emerges again!) [...] [...] Will mentions a book he posted about a little while back by Andrew Keen, titled Culture of the Amateu. The book is about the dumbing down of information b/c of blogs. According to Technorati there are 65 million blogs out there with 2 million posts a day. Not all of these are quality. (The need for literacy and evaluation skills emerges again!) [...]

]]> By: The Cult of the Expert « Towards the Knowledge Society http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25628 The Cult of the Expert « Towards the Knowledge Society Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:43:45 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25628 [...] It seems somewhat ironic that I went out and bought Andrew Keen’s book “The Cult of the Amateur: How today’s Internet is killing our culture”, a book dedicated to pricking the Web 2.0 bubble.  Why is this ironic?  Because I became aware of this book through the very channels that Mr. Keen seems to take issue with… that is, the blogosphere and citizen journalism.  I had no idea who Keen was until I read a weblogg-ed’s June 13th entry entitled “Web 2.0 as ‘Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe’“  referring to Keen’s blog on the Britannica website, then I read an MSNBC story about his new book which I found through digg, then I realized that Keen himself is the keynotes speaker at the upcoming Web 2.0 conference that I will be attending.  [...] [...] It seems somewhat ironic that I went out and bought Andrew Keen’s book “The Cult of the Amateur: How today’s Internet is killing our culture”, a book dedicated to pricking the Web 2.0 bubble.  Why is this ironic?  Because I became aware of this book through the very channels that Mr. Keen seems to take issue with… that is, the blogosphere and citizen journalism.  I had no idea who Keen was until I read a weblogg-ed’s June 13th entry entitled “Web 2.0 as ‘Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe’“  referring to Keen’s blog on the Britannica website, then I read an MSNBC story about his new book which I found through digg, then I realized that Keen himself is the keynotes speaker at the upcoming Web 2.0 conference that I will be attending.  [...]

]]> By: sobre a web 2.0 e os velhos do restelo « a caixa http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25476 sobre a web 2.0 e os velhos do restelo « a caixa Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:25:47 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25476 [...] sobre a web 2.0 e os velhos do restelo Numa altura em que falo e leio tanto sobre web 2.0, saltou-me à vista o título “Web 2.0 as “Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe”, de Will Richardson. Tão ou mais interessante que a reflexão de Richardson é o texto que a provocou: “The Answer to Web 2.0: Political Activism!” – e que me fez lembrar a analogia dos macacos e das máquinas de escrever referida pelo Pedro - onde entre outras coisas Keen diz o seguinte: [...] [...] sobre a web 2.0 e os velhos do restelo Numa altura em que falo e leio tanto sobre web 2.0, saltou-me à vista o título “Web 2.0 as “Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe”, de Will Richardson. Tão ou mais interessante que a reflexão de Richardson é o texto que a provocou: “The Answer to Web 2.0: Political Activism!” – e que me fez lembrar a analogia dos macacos e das máquinas de escrever referida pelo Pedro – onde entre outras coisas Keen diz o seguinte: [...]

]]> By: OLDaily[中文版] » 2007 » June » 20 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25446 OLDaily[中文版] » 2007 » June » 20 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:36:41 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25446 [...] Britannica Blog: Web 2.0论坛 没有谁能像一小撮有水平的、却爱唱反调的人这样使网站点击数激增，Andrew Kenn和Michael Gorman在这Britannica Blog向我们讲述了Web2.0有多么愚蠢，同时Clay Shirky负责回复和其他一些支持工作。他们做这件事的目的，是要通过这些观点鲜明的文章来稳固权威的地位。呃，这些我们早就看到了。Dave Snowdon, Will Richardson, John Connell, Wendy Wickham, George Siemens, Tony Karrer, Bill Brantley就此展开了不错的讨论. Various Authors, Britannica June 18, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Web Logs, Web 2.0, Online Learning, Patents, Connectivism] [参与评论] [...] [...] Britannica Blog: Web 2.0论坛 没有谁能像一小撮有水平的、却爱唱反调的人这样使网站点击数激增，Andrew Kenn和Michael Gorman在这Britannica Blog向我们讲述了Web2.0有多么愚蠢，同时Clay Shirky负责回复和其他一些支持工作。他们做这件事的目的，是要通过这些观点鲜明的文章来稳固权威的地位。呃，这些我们早就看到了。Dave Snowdon, Will Richardson, John Connell, Wendy Wickham, George Siemens, Tony Karrer, Bill Brantley就此展开了不错的讨论. Various Authors, Britannica June 18, 2007 [原文链接] [Tags: Web Logs, Web 2.0, Online Learning, Patents, Connectivism] [参与评论] [...]

]]> By: Charlene http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25352 Charlene Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:57:45 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25352 I just realized Mr. Keel will be a keynotes speaker at a conference I am attending in September about Web 2.0, again, for someone who is against it... he certainly does benefit from it. I'll have to ask him what he means by the phrase "radical democratizer" I just realized Mr. Keel will be a keynotes speaker at a conference I am attending in September about Web 2.0, again, for someone who is against it… he certainly does benefit from it. I’ll have to ask him what he means by the phrase “radical democratizer”

]]> By: Miguel Guhlin http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25306 Miguel Guhlin Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:05:11 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25306 Abolish schools as they are, institutions that blunt minds, dull creativity, stigmatize diversity, and normalize mediocrity. Affirm schools as they are, organizations that engage minds, stir creativity, encourage diversity, and nurture children. Which is the stronger? Not sure. Playing, Miguel http://mguhlin.net Abolish schools as they are, institutions that blunt minds, dull creativity, stigmatize diversity, and normalize mediocrity.

Affirm schools as they are, organizations that engage minds, stir creativity, encourage diversity, and nurture children.

Which is the stronger?

Not sure.

Playing,
Miguel
http://mguhlin.net

]]> By: Harold Jarche http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25302 Harold Jarche Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:37:58 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25302 I read the whole dang post and them 35 comments and I realized that it's just the same shit, different day (sorry for the language, folks, but that's how I feel). Either you believe in democracy, and all of the messiness that it entails, or you believe in order and "Dieu et mon droit". Like the International Brigades of the 1930's, I believe in the freedom of the individual - citizen, learner, whatever. As Winnie said, "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time." Web 2.0 (the two-way web) democratizes. It's messy, it's scary and them folks who want to stay in charge don't like it. Tough. IMHO I read the whole dang post and them 35 comments and I realized that it’s just the same shit, different day (sorry for the language, folks, but that’s how I feel).

Either you believe in democracy, and all of the messiness that it entails, or you believe in order and “Dieu et mon droit”. Like the International Brigades of the 1930′s, I believe in the freedom of the individual – citizen, learner, whatever.

As Winnie said, “Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except all those others that have been tried from time to time.”

Web 2.0 (the two-way web) democratizes. It’s messy, it’s scary and them folks who want to stay in charge don’t like it. Tough. IMHO

]]> By: GotzeBlogged » Canonicalization of Democracy? http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25301 GotzeBlogged » Canonicalization of Democracy? Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:59:07 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25301 [...] In his Old Revolutions Good, New Revolutions Bad: A Response to Gorman, Clay Shirky (2007) picks Gorman’s and Keen’s arguments to pieces. Others do the same. [...] [...] In his Old Revolutions Good, New Revolutions Bad: A Response to Gorman, Clay Shirky (2007) picks Gorman’s and Keen’s arguments to pieces. Others do the same. [...]

]]> By: diane http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25285 diane Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:10:49 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25285 Sorry, Charlene, didn't catch your comment the first time through. Perhaps Mr. Keen will give me some hints on how to teach current events in rural upstate New York without using internet sources. Sorry, Charlene, didn’t catch your comment the first time through. Perhaps Mr. Keen will give me some hints on how to teach current events in rural upstate New York without using internet sources.

]]> By: diane http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25284 diane Sun, 17 Jun 2007 19:06:33 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25284 Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the person railing against the world 2.0 is doing so via a blog on the internet? Where's a good quill - or chisel - when you need it! Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the person railing against the world 2.0 is doing so via a blog on the internet? Where’s a good quill – or chisel – when you need it!

]]> By: Bill Fitzgerald http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25224 Bill Fitzgerald Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:43:06 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25224 Hello, Will, et al, Coming late to the party, but I need to re-emphasize a point made by Gary Stager earlier on -- feeding the pagerank of Andrew Keen only raises his credibility -- Andrew Keen is attempting to remain relevant by using inflammatory language to mask a dearth of real substance. He also has a book out, and publicity of any sort can boost sales. Linking to him only gives him an audience. Seriously. The guy uses phrases like "radical democratizers" -- what exactly is that? And I love how Keen attempts to portray himself as outside of Silicon Valley -- his own bio on his site firmly establishes his Silicon Valley creds, yet in his posts he lauds the common sense that exists outside the Valley. In a way, it reminds me of George Bush, privileged son, attempting to demonstrate that he has the common touch. Cheers, Bill Hello, Will, et al,

Coming late to the party, but I need to re-emphasize a point made by Gary Stager earlier on — feeding the pagerank of Andrew Keen only raises his credibility —

Andrew Keen is attempting to remain relevant by using inflammatory language to mask a dearth of real substance. He also has a book out, and publicity of any sort can boost sales.

Linking to him only gives him an audience. Seriously. The guy uses phrases like “radical democratizers” — what exactly is that? And I love how Keen attempts to portray himself as outside of Silicon Valley — his own bio on his site firmly establishes his Silicon Valley creds, yet in his posts he lauds the common sense that exists outside the Valley.

In a way, it reminds me of George Bush, privileged son, attempting to demonstrate that he has the common touch.

Cheers,

Bill

]]> By: The Internet and Decision 0h-Eight. « Towards the Knowledge Society http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25221 The Internet and Decision 0h-Eight. « Towards the Knowledge Society Sat, 16 Jun 2007 23:03:08 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25221 [...] And why not?  Democratization of society is one of those heralded outcomes of the Internet, even if some people view democratization with scorn and fear.  And democratization it has the potential to be… if users are able to remain in ultimate control of their political fates. [...] [...] And why not?  Democratization of society is one of those heralded outcomes of the Internet, even if some people view democratization with scorn and fear.  And democratization it has the potential to be… if users are able to remain in ultimate control of their political fates. [...]

]]> By: Mike Curtin http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25187 Mike Curtin Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:03:56 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25187 Re: disagreement in the blogosphere - Since the early 70's, our culture has had a pronounced bias against reasoned debate and dissent. Blame it on whatever you like - broadcast media, political demagoguery, whatever. I think people's capability to respectfully disagree has atrophied to the point where when someone says, "I'd like to play devil's advocate for a second," those words sound more like, "you're a know-nothing louse." A habit that my superintendent has that I've come to admire since I started working for her a year ago is stating her position and then telling the group, "OK, let's talk this through." We then look at both alternatives and discuss pros, cons, implications. She wants to be educated on what "the other side" believes. In the blogosphere, this kind of reasoned debate is absent. I think it's because we suddenly have these new tools that connect us so intimately with one another and after having played the role of the passive recipients of information for so long, we don't know what to do. It's like someone turned on the lights in a dark room and you suddenly find yourself eyeball-to-eyeball with a host of people who don't look, talk, think, act like you do. I guess some people close their eyes and pretend they're not there, some raise their fists, and maybe a few look around, take a deep breath, and engage their neighbors. I think one of our tasks as educators in the 21st century is to help students take this latter course of action with confidence. Re: disagreement in the blogosphere – Since the early 70′s, our culture has had a pronounced bias against reasoned debate and dissent. Blame it on whatever you like – broadcast media, political demagoguery, whatever. I think people’s capability to respectfully disagree has atrophied to the point where when someone says, “I’d like to play devil’s advocate for a second,” those words sound more like, “you’re a know-nothing louse.” A habit that my superintendent has that I’ve come to admire since I started working for her a year ago is stating her position and then telling the group, “OK, let’s talk this through.” We then look at both alternatives and discuss pros, cons, implications. She wants to be educated on what “the other side” believes.

In the blogosphere, this kind of reasoned debate is absent. I think it’s because we suddenly have these new tools that connect us so intimately with one another and after having played the role of the passive recipients of information for so long, we don’t know what to do. It’s like someone turned on the lights in a dark room and you suddenly find yourself eyeball-to-eyeball with a host of people who don’t look, talk, think, act like you do. I guess some people close their eyes and pretend they’re not there, some raise their fists, and maybe a few look around, take a deep breath, and engage their neighbors. I think one of our tasks as educators in the 21st century is to help students take this latter course of action with confidence.

]]> By: Borderland: Democracy 2.0 « Identity Unknown http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25156 Borderland: Democracy 2.0 « Identity Unknown Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:10:11 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25156 [...] Will Richardson’s post about Web 2.0 as “Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe” referenced Andrew Keen’s critique of “radical democratizers” who threaten the “intellectual life of our society.” Will wonders “…what systemic impact we can have by pushing at the education door.” [...] [...] Will Richardson’s post about Web 2.0 as “Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe” referenced Andrew Keen’s critique of “radical democratizers” who threaten the “intellectual life of our society.” Will wonders “…what systemic impact we can have by pushing at the education door.” [...]

]]> By: Borderland » Blog Archive » Democracy 2.0 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/comment-page-1/#comment-25089 Borderland » Blog Archive » Democracy 2.0 Thu, 14 Jun 2007 22:38:45 +0000 http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/web-20-as-cultural-and-intellectual-catastrophe/#comment-25089 [...] Will Richardson’s post about Web 2.0 as “Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe” referenced Andrew Keen’s critique of “radical democratizers” who threaten the “intellectual life of our society.” Will wonders “…what systemic impact we can have by pushing at the education door.” [...] [...] Will Richardson’s post about Web 2.0 as “Cultural and Intellectual Catastrophe” referenced Andrew Keen’s critique of “radical democratizers” who threaten the “intellectual life of our society.” Will wonders “…what systemic impact we can have by pushing at the education door.” [...]

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