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		<title>By: English Education Professor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Teleconference with Politician about Tech Goes Wrong</title>
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		<dc:creator>English Education Professor &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Teleconference with Politician about Tech Goes Wrong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Weblogg-ed » The Senator Call: And You Expected What?  I about lose my lunch as the next person (who I won’t identify for fear of, um, something I can’t imagine at the moment) launches into this, this, this hair raising run-on sentence about how ya know, technology this and technology that is all a bunch of bunk and we’re getting all excited about these 21st Century Skills when what we really need are kids who can multiply 6 x 4. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Weblogg-ed » The Senator Call: And You Expected What?  I about lose my lunch as the next person (who I won’t identify for fear of, um, something I can’t imagine at the moment) launches into this, this, this hair raising run-on sentence about how ya know, technology this and technology that is all a bunch of bunk and we’re getting all excited about these 21st Century Skills when what we really need are kids who can multiply 6 x 4. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Almost everybody said what&#039;s in my thought. But it&#039;s good to know that you did your best in standing out for the group. Eventhough it was difficul, yet you did your part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost everybody said what&#8217;s in my thought. But it&#8217;s good to know that you did your best in standing out for the group. Eventhough it was difficul, yet you did your part.</p>
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		<title>By: Geri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no harm in trying. Opportunities are rare and needs to be grabbed the moment you see it. Loosing it doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t go on. Nevertheless, you did your best. It&#039;s good that you stood up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no harm in trying. Opportunities are rare and needs to be grabbed the moment you see it. Loosing it doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t go on. Nevertheless, you did your best. It&#8217;s good that you stood up.</p>
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		<title>By: 2 Cents Worth &#187; This is Why We Go Where We Go and Do What We Do!</title>
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		<dc:creator>2 Cents Worth &#187; This is Why We Go Where We Go and Do What We Do!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Mar 2007 02:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] NCAECT was an amazing conference this year, and not just because of the all star presenters the association brought in (Will Richardson, Leslie Fisher, Chris O&#8217;Neal, Elliot Soloway, and Cathleen Norris) &#8212; but also because of the attendees.&#160; Many of them were not tech all stars.&#160; They were rookies, just off the street.&#160; They were elementary classroom teachers, science teachers, social studies teachers, health and PE teachers.&#160; I just read this blog post from Hitchhikr, on my way to bed, and it made my heart sore.&#160; I&#8217;ve been in a real funk since Will Richardson&#8217;s report on his conversation with Representative Lamarr Alexander.&#160; But I&#8217;m all better now! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] NCAECT was an amazing conference this year, and not just because of the all star presenters the association brought in (Will Richardson, Leslie Fisher, Chris O&#8217;Neal, Elliot Soloway, and Cathleen Norris) &#8212; but also because of the attendees.&nbsp; Many of them were not tech all stars.&nbsp; They were rookies, just off the street.&nbsp; They were elementary classroom teachers, science teachers, social studies teachers, health and PE teachers.&nbsp; I just read this blog post from Hitchhikr, on my way to bed, and it made my heart sore.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve been in a real funk since Will Richardson&#8217;s report on his conversation with Representative Lamarr Alexander.&nbsp; But I&#8217;m all better now! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sylvia martinez</title>
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		<dc:creator>sylvia martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is a personal decision to &quot;be in the game&quot; as Scott says. It&#039;s a risk to dilute your own message and compromise your beliefs by trying to reach consensus with others. It&#039;s a commitment of precious time spent in meetings instead of working directly with teachers or students. 

You may decide that by reaching even a handful of teachers who start blogging projects, this has the opportunity to influence lots of kids. And opening a door to just a few of those kids that might otherwise be closed to them is worth more than all the committee meetings, summits, and press releases in the world. One inspired teacher, one inspired kid--it&#039;s a chain of events that can change the world.

OR - you can envision a future where many more kids lives are changed by some improvement in the educational system brought on as a result of a law that you helped shape.

I don&#039;t think these are right/wrong choices, but choices that suit your personality and temperament.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is a personal decision to &#8220;be in the game&#8221; as Scott says. It&#8217;s a risk to dilute your own message and compromise your beliefs by trying to reach consensus with others. It&#8217;s a commitment of precious time spent in meetings instead of working directly with teachers or students. </p>
<p>You may decide that by reaching even a handful of teachers who start blogging projects, this has the opportunity to influence lots of kids. And opening a door to just a few of those kids that might otherwise be closed to them is worth more than all the committee meetings, summits, and press releases in the world. One inspired teacher, one inspired kid&#8211;it&#8217;s a chain of events that can change the world.</p>
<p>OR &#8211; you can envision a future where many more kids lives are changed by some improvement in the educational system brought on as a result of a law that you helped shape.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think these are right/wrong choices, but choices that suit your personality and temperament.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McLeod</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian (and others),

Thought you might be interested in my post today:

http://snipurl.com/1d3hx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian (and others),</p>
<p>Thought you might be interested in my post today:</p>
<p><a href="http://snipurl.com/1d3hx" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/1d3hx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ian Stuart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 17:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Technology, by definition, is a tool, something we work with but what a tool it information technology is!
I actually agree that we should be teaching kids what they need to know. (No matter where in the world they are)
What they need to know is how live, work and prosper in the 21st century. 
Technololgy is now a basic skill they require.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Technology, by definition, is a tool, something we work with but what a tool it information technology is!<br />
I actually agree that we should be teaching kids what they need to know. (No matter where in the world they are)<br />
What they need to know is how live, work and prosper in the 21st century.<br />
Technololgy is now a basic skill they require.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alice,

I wasn&#039;t trying to write off the meeting, and actually agree that contact is good and definitely a point for starting discussion.  

I was just saying (in my first comment) that perhaps the conversation was somewhat divergent because the purpose for the conference call wasn&#039;t entirely clearly established and there were so many diverse players involved for such a brief time.

I agree with Scott also about the myriad audiences that Congress plays to, and the complexity of the policy world, etc. and needing to participate in that.  Another thing influencing all this politically that we should be aware of is the bill filed regarding NCLB today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alice,</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t trying to write off the meeting, and actually agree that contact is good and definitely a point for starting discussion.  </p>
<p>I was just saying (in my first comment) that perhaps the conversation was somewhat divergent because the purpose for the conference call wasn&#8217;t entirely clearly established and there were so many diverse players involved for such a brief time.</p>
<p>I agree with Scott also about the myriad audiences that Congress plays to, and the complexity of the policy world, etc. and needing to participate in that.  Another thing influencing all this politically that we should be aware of is the bill filed regarding NCLB today.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McLeod</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/the-senator-call-and-you-expected-what/comment-page-1/#comment-15040</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, we&#039;ve had two national ed tech plans since the first one:

www.nationaledtechplan.org

The message of the latest one that educational technology was critically important was undercut a month later by the Administration proposing to zero out the E2T2 budget...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, we&#8217;ve had two national ed tech plans since the first one:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nationaledtechplan.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationaledtechplan.org</a></p>
<p>The message of the latest one that educational technology was critically important was undercut a month later by the Administration proposing to zero out the E2T2 budget&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, and others on the call.. thank you for sharing your experiences!

Perhaps it is time for another summit in Washington similar to the Secretary&#039;s Conference in 1995  (Making it Happen -  http://www.ed.gov/Technology/TechConf/1995/index.html
, where educational technology leaders were invited to speak and demonstrate on particular topics.  That summit, with its avowed purpose of beginning a National Long-Range Plan for Educational Technology, was quite influential since Mosaic had just been released and we were able to demonstrate our first attempts at creating meaningful educational web sites etc.

We are at that same juncture again, and we should be lobbying people such as Senator Alexander to ask the Ed. Dept to host another summit to UPDATE the National Educational Technology Plan that resulted from the 1995 and later summits.

You need a real-time, face to face forum for Washington so the new tools can be made real for the politicians and policy makers.

Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, and others on the call.. thank you for sharing your experiences!</p>
<p>Perhaps it is time for another summit in Washington similar to the Secretary&#8217;s Conference in 1995  (Making it Happen &#8211;  <a href="http://www.ed.gov/Technology/TechConf/1995/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ed.gov/Technology/TechConf/1995/index.html</a><br />
, where educational technology leaders were invited to speak and demonstrate on particular topics.  That summit, with its avowed purpose of beginning a National Long-Range Plan for Educational Technology, was quite influential since Mosaic had just been released and we were able to demonstrate our first attempts at creating meaningful educational web sites etc.</p>
<p>We are at that same juncture again, and we should be lobbying people such as Senator Alexander to ask the Ed. Dept to host another summit to UPDATE the National Educational Technology Plan that resulted from the 1995 and later summits.</p>
<p>You need a real-time, face to face forum for Washington so the new tools can be made real for the politicians and policy makers.</p>
<p>Dan</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Mercer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alice Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woa, there was a typo, right off the meeting should be write-off. Gotta love those homophones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woa, there was a typo, right off the meeting should be write-off. Gotta love those homophones.</p>
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		<title>By: Alice Mercer</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/the-senator-call-and-you-expected-what/comment-page-1/#comment-15037</link>
		<dc:creator>Alice Mercer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn, I wouldn&#039;t right off the meeting from the Senator&#039;s point of view. While Will has bragging rights about being called in, the Senator can now cite Will when he calls for more teacher professional development. IMHE even at the local level, these events are not about a coherent policy discussion. That meeting was what it was, I still think there is a lot to take from it and that ed web 2.0 folks can do with it. Scott McLeod has an excellent post on his site now where he asks us to make the argument for web 2.0. IMHO, this can&#039;t be a manifesto or a blue-ribbon report, it needs to be the bullet points, and we need to ring it loud and clear. 

My question Scott and Will is, did I have your bullet points? Are we still discussing what we need? Then, the next step is making the why coherent, which is what Scott is asking on his blog.

It&#039;s like when you are putting up you objectives for a lesson with students. Make it clear, concise, and easily understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn, I wouldn&#8217;t right off the meeting from the Senator&#8217;s point of view. While Will has bragging rights about being called in, the Senator can now cite Will when he calls for more teacher professional development. IMHE even at the local level, these events are not about a coherent policy discussion. That meeting was what it was, I still think there is a lot to take from it and that ed web 2.0 folks can do with it. Scott McLeod has an excellent post on his site now where he asks us to make the argument for web 2.0. IMHO, this can&#8217;t be a manifesto or a blue-ribbon report, it needs to be the bullet points, and we need to ring it loud and clear. </p>
<p>My question Scott and Will is, did I have your bullet points? Are we still discussing what we need? Then, the next step is making the why coherent, which is what Scott is asking on his blog.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like when you are putting up you objectives for a lesson with students. Make it clear, concise, and easily understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Foote</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/the-senator-call-and-you-expected-what/comment-page-1/#comment-15035</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn Foote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 12:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking overnight about Sylvia&#039;s comment, which I think is true--and maybe one take away is that education bloggers were called in the first place.  There&#039;s some concern there, obviously.

I&#039;ve also been thinking about the talking points--not so much per this call--but in general, about a group of influential writers coalescing around a vision statement that is &quot;identifiable,&quot; concise and unified in the language that is used.   Interesting idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking overnight about Sylvia&#8217;s comment, which I think is true&#8211;and maybe one take away is that education bloggers were called in the first place.  There&#8217;s some concern there, obviously.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been thinking about the talking points&#8211;not so much per this call&#8211;but in general, about a group of influential writers coalescing around a vision statement that is &#8220;identifiable,&#8221; concise and unified in the language that is used.   Interesting idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott McLeod</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/the-senator-call-and-you-expected-what/comment-page-1/#comment-15032</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 11:42:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, it was an interesting phone call. I think we expected this given the makeup of the group, the short time period allotted, and the uncertain purpose of the call.

Like Gary Stager, I agree with Sylvia Martinez&#039;s comment: I think it&#039;s critically important to be in the game. Despite my law background, I continue to be mystified by the complexities surrounding the formation of federal/state law and policy. The Senator is playing in an arena in which folks like you and I really understand very little. Like all of our elected federal and state representatives, he&#039;s juggling multiple issues, and multiple constituent perspectives, and multiple deals with other politicians at all times. That said, he clearly has his own personal and political beliefs, represents a certain type of constituency, and will listen to certain voices and perspectives over others. Again, though, we all have to try and play in this arena whenever we can, and take whatever opportunities we can get to interact with policymakers, regardless of whether we agree with their individual or political party belief systems. Otherwise our voices never will be heard and our chances of seeing the changes we&#039;d like to see diminish accordingly.

Short as the time was, at least we each had a chance to voice our thoughts. You got to talk about access for disadvantaged kids and a new learning paradigm. I got to express my concerns that, like most other initiatives of this ilk, the school leaders that will be in charge of making this stuff happen have been completely left out of the training, implementation, legislation, policies, funding, etc. Neither of us may have gotten the answer we would have liked (&quot;you&#039;re so right, I&#039;ll work to make those changes in the legislation immediately!&quot;), but at least we had a chance to have our say. The more chances we get like this, the better, and I hope we have many more. As Alice Mercer notes in her comment, we need to be actively involved with our political representatives and we probably need some help knowing how best to do that (I know I do!).

For those of you who are curious, the gentleman Will refers to said: &quot;I&#039;ve been using technology in the classroom since the 1980s. . . . The thing that makes me nervous about this whole 21st century learning and technology emphasis is that, in my experience, this translates into buying lots of cute toys and computers for classes and spending more time on programs that the data show do not work. I mean I don&#039;t think technology is the question. I think that actually teaching kids to know that 4 x 12 = 48 is the answer.&quot; The Senator then noted that, of course, technology can be used effectively to help students better learn required course material. 

Andrew Pass and Ryan Boots also blogged about this conference call:

http://snipurl.com/1d1ol

http://snipurl.com/1d1oq

And some of the other participants may as well:

http://snipurl.com/1d1os</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, it was an interesting phone call. I think we expected this given the makeup of the group, the short time period allotted, and the uncertain purpose of the call.</p>
<p>Like Gary Stager, I agree with Sylvia Martinez&#8217;s comment: I think it&#8217;s critically important to be in the game. Despite my law background, I continue to be mystified by the complexities surrounding the formation of federal/state law and policy. The Senator is playing in an arena in which folks like you and I really understand very little. Like all of our elected federal and state representatives, he&#8217;s juggling multiple issues, and multiple constituent perspectives, and multiple deals with other politicians at all times. That said, he clearly has his own personal and political beliefs, represents a certain type of constituency, and will listen to certain voices and perspectives over others. Again, though, we all have to try and play in this arena whenever we can, and take whatever opportunities we can get to interact with policymakers, regardless of whether we agree with their individual or political party belief systems. Otherwise our voices never will be heard and our chances of seeing the changes we&#8217;d like to see diminish accordingly.</p>
<p>Short as the time was, at least we each had a chance to voice our thoughts. You got to talk about access for disadvantaged kids and a new learning paradigm. I got to express my concerns that, like most other initiatives of this ilk, the school leaders that will be in charge of making this stuff happen have been completely left out of the training, implementation, legislation, policies, funding, etc. Neither of us may have gotten the answer we would have liked (&#8220;you&#8217;re so right, I&#8217;ll work to make those changes in the legislation immediately!&#8221;), but at least we had a chance to have our say. The more chances we get like this, the better, and I hope we have many more. As Alice Mercer notes in her comment, we need to be actively involved with our political representatives and we probably need some help knowing how best to do that (I know I do!).</p>
<p>For those of you who are curious, the gentleman Will refers to said: &#8220;I&#8217;ve been using technology in the classroom since the 1980s. . . . The thing that makes me nervous about this whole 21st century learning and technology emphasis is that, in my experience, this translates into buying lots of cute toys and computers for classes and spending more time on programs that the data show do not work. I mean I don&#8217;t think technology is the question. I think that actually teaching kids to know that 4 x 12 = 48 is the answer.&#8221; The Senator then noted that, of course, technology can be used effectively to help students better learn required course material. </p>
<p>Andrew Pass and Ryan Boots also blogged about this conference call:</p>
<p><a href="http://snipurl.com/1d1ol" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/1d1ol</a></p>
<p><a href="http://snipurl.com/1d1oq" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/1d1oq</a></p>
<p>And some of the other participants may as well:</p>
<p><a href="http://snipurl.com/1d1os" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/1d1os</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 07:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will, I agree with Sylvia (above) and welcome the opportunity to speak with anyone who might listen, especially if they are in a position of authority.

However, Lamar Alexander is a bad guy. He did bad stuff to schools while Governor and Secretary of Education.

I always struggle with the decision over whether to be &quot;at the table&quot; or keep my hands clean so I am not implicated when something goes awry. It&#039;s often a 60/40 proposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will, I agree with Sylvia (above) and welcome the opportunity to speak with anyone who might listen, especially if they are in a position of authority.</p>
<p>However, Lamar Alexander is a bad guy. He did bad stuff to schools while Governor and Secretary of Education.</p>
<p>I always struggle with the decision over whether to be &#8220;at the table&#8221; or keep my hands clean so I am not implicated when something goes awry. It&#8217;s often a 60/40 proposition.</p>
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