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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;I lost something very important to me&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Luk</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-26442</link>
		<dc:creator>Luk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 11:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Can We Have Too Much Technology? &#171; Ubiquitous Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-25349</link>
		<dc:creator>Can We Have Too Much Technology? &#171; Ubiquitous Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:14:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So the question really becomes one of opportunity costs: what are we losing out on by our (over)emphasis and dependence on technology and our neverending quest for the lastest, fastest, and coolest tool? This is not a nostalgic call for a return to &#8220;simpler times&#8221;, but rather a challenge to think more critically about how we use digital technologies in our lives, including in education. In my opinion, this is something that&#8217;s really missing in schools. Schools are struggling to keep up even though they are investing lots of money and time into getting basic technology into classrooms (while simultaneously trying to figure out how to block access to more advanced tools). The thinking that does take place has more to do with how to block access to &#8220;dangerous and distracting&#8221; tools than to teach and learn about meaningful, responsible, and safe use of these tools, and that includes knowing when to embrace technology and when to push it back. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] So the question really becomes one of opportunity costs: what are we losing out on by our (over)emphasis and dependence on technology and our neverending quest for the lastest, fastest, and coolest tool? This is not a nostalgic call for a return to &#8220;simpler times&#8221;, but rather a challenge to think more critically about how we use digital technologies in our lives, including in education. In my opinion, this is something that&#8217;s really missing in schools. Schools are struggling to keep up even though they are investing lots of money and time into getting basic technology into classrooms (while simultaneously trying to figure out how to block access to more advanced tools). The thinking that does take place has more to do with how to block access to &#8220;dangerous and distracting&#8221; tools than to teach and learn about meaningful, responsible, and safe use of these tools, and that includes knowing when to embrace technology and when to push it back. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Smith</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-24936</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a headteacher at a british school. We have also banned mobile usage within the school but do allow children to bring them on to the premisise. We just bought a product for each teacher from a company phonebuster and have found their product to be a very usefull detterent for phone usage within the classroom. I would say that it has probably cut problems ( which used to occur almost on a daily basis ) by over 90 per cent. The children are scared that if they use their phone the product will detect them and we will be able to confisgate their portable. I think the website for this is www.phonebuster.co.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a headteacher at a british school. We have also banned mobile usage within the school but do allow children to bring them on to the premisise. We just bought a product for each teacher from a company phonebuster and have found their product to be a very usefull detterent for phone usage within the classroom. I would say that it has probably cut problems ( which used to occur almost on a daily basis ) by over 90 per cent. The children are scared that if they use their phone the product will detect them and we will be able to confisgate their portable. I think the website for this is <a href="http://www.phonebuster.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.phonebuster.co.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Carol Burns</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-24569</link>
		<dc:creator>Carol Burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 12:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've asked my administrators to read this post and the comments because we completely ban iPods, MP3 devices and all cell phones here.  I've been asked what my policy would be for the use of cell phones and iPods.  Can we brainstorm some ideas for a good school policy regarding these items?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve asked my administrators to read this post and the comments because we completely ban iPods, MP3 devices and all cell phones here.  I&#8217;ve been asked what my policy would be for the use of cell phones and iPods.  Can we brainstorm some ideas for a good school policy regarding these items?</p>
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		<title>By: KG</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-24484</link>
		<dc:creator>KG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 22:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm a parent at the school featured in the article.  Most obviously, most of the comments so far are from those unfamiliar with the situation.

These random sweeps have been happening all school year, in response to the city-wide cell phone ban and supposedly to search for weapons. In addition to the items mentioned, also confiscated were house keys and markers (yes, really).

First, let me point out the school's ethnicity: 38% white; 26% black; 33% Hispanic; 5% Asian--this is not a case of "whiny privileged white parents." Do the addition--whites are a minority in this school. The parent body, however, is vocal when it comes to our children's safety.

Martin M-B: Most of the students travel to/from school by themselves using public transportation (some from quite a distance away) and their parent/s work. These are 11-14 year-olds. Having cell phones (and keys, which were also confiscated) are necessary. How would you feel if you were out of touch with your child in New York for 8+ hours? Or if he/she was unable to get into your apartment until you could get home from work? School offices will not relay messages to children and phone lines are often down (this is a wide-ranging problem at all school levels). Pay phones are few and far between, if indeed they are functional. NYC doesn't provide cell phone (or book) lockers in many schools, including this one.

Will: For us, yes, it IS a safety issue as well. What you might not have known was a 7th grader was choked and beaten up the next Friday (the day the phones were returned) in the late afternoon on his way to a dance at the school. Help was called for. On a cell phone.

Tom: Another missed point ("If you are pro-cell phones in schools, does that mean you think seventh graders should be able to answer and place phone calls in your class?")--of course not. And since 404 phones were confiscated, but the children have not abused phones by using them in class, why should they NOT have them turned off and in the bottom of their backpacks?

These children were frisked, cursed at, scanned and made to feel like criminals. Now THERE'S a lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a parent at the school featured in the article.  Most obviously, most of the comments so far are from those unfamiliar with the situation.</p>
<p>These random sweeps have been happening all school year, in response to the city-wide cell phone ban and supposedly to search for weapons. In addition to the items mentioned, also confiscated were house keys and markers (yes, really).</p>
<p>First, let me point out the school&#8217;s ethnicity: 38% white; 26% black; 33% Hispanic; 5% Asian&#8211;this is not a case of &#8220;whiny privileged white parents.&#8221; Do the addition&#8211;whites are a minority in this school. The parent body, however, is vocal when it comes to our children&#8217;s safety.</p>
<p>Martin M-B: Most of the students travel to/from school by themselves using public transportation (some from quite a distance away) and their parent/s work. These are 11-14 year-olds. Having cell phones (and keys, which were also confiscated) are necessary. How would you feel if you were out of touch with your child in New York for 8+ hours? Or if he/she was unable to get into your apartment until you could get home from work? School offices will not relay messages to children and phone lines are often down (this is a wide-ranging problem at all school levels). Pay phones are few and far between, if indeed they are functional. NYC doesn&#8217;t provide cell phone (or book) lockers in many schools, including this one.</p>
<p>Will: For us, yes, it IS a safety issue as well. What you might not have known was a 7th grader was choked and beaten up the next Friday (the day the phones were returned) in the late afternoon on his way to a dance at the school. Help was called for. On a cell phone.</p>
<p>Tom: Another missed point (&#8221;If you are pro-cell phones in schools, does that mean you think seventh graders should be able to answer and place phone calls in your class?&#8221;)&#8211;of course not. And since 404 phones were confiscated, but the children have not abused phones by using them in class, why should they NOT have them turned off and in the bottom of their backpacks?</p>
<p>These children were frisked, cursed at, scanned and made to feel like criminals. Now THERE&#8217;S a lesson.</p>
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		<title>By: Whip Blog&#8230;. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hidden Messages</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-24199</link>
		<dc:creator>Whip Blog&#8230;. &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Hidden Messages</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 15:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Richardson reports on Thursday&#8217;s sweep for phones and other electronic devices at a New York City middle school. As reported by the NY Times, police and school administrators set up metal detectors and confiscated &#8220;404 cellphones, 69 iPods, 23 other electronic devices, two knives and one imitation gun&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Will Richardson reports on Thursday&#8217;s sweep for phones and other electronic devices at a New York City middle school. As reported by the NY Times, police and school administrators set up metal detectors and confiscated &#8220;404 cellphones, 69 iPods, 23 other electronic devices, two knives and one imitation gun&#8221;. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: dsader.snowotherway.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cell Phone and iPods Banned from Students</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-24182</link>
		<dc:creator>dsader.snowotherway.org &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Cell Phone and iPods Banned from Students</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] From Weblogg-ed: So let’s review. What does this teach those kids? First, it teaches them that they don’t deserve to be empowered with technology the same way adults are. Second, that the tools that adults use all the time in their everyday lives to communicate are not relevant to their own communication needs. Third, that they can’t be trusted (or taught, for that matter) to use phones appropriately in school. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] From Weblogg-ed: So let’s review. What does this teach those kids? First, it teaches them that they don’t deserve to be empowered with technology the same way adults are. Second, that the tools that adults use all the time in their everyday lives to communicate are not relevant to their own communication needs. Third, that they can’t be trusted (or taught, for that matter) to use phones appropriately in school. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Teaching and Developing Online.</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23989</link>
		<dc:creator>Teaching and Developing Online.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I lost something very important to me...&lt;/strong&gt;

So they did a “sweep” with metal detectors at a middle school on the Upper West Side of New York City on Thursday and the result wasn’t pretty. Out of 900 plus students, 404 cell phones were “confiscated” from the......</description>
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<p>So they did a “sweep” with metal detectors at a middle school on the Upper West Side of New York City on Thursday and the result wasn’t pretty. Out of 900 plus students, 404 cell phones were “confiscated” from the&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23917</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's an article I wrote inspired by the issues expressed in this thread...

http://www.districtadministration.com/pulse/commentpost.aspx?news=no&#38;postid=19280</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an article I wrote inspired by the issues expressed in this thread&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.districtadministration.com/pulse/commentpost.aspx?news=no&amp;postid=19280" rel="nofollow">http://www.districtadministration.com/pulse/commentpost.aspx?news=no&amp;postid=19280</a></p>
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		<title>By: Josh Nunn&#8217;s Education Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ARRGH!</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23659</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Nunn&#8217;s Education Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; ARRGH!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jun 2007 00:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is stupid.    Posted by Josh Filed in Uncategorized [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] This is stupid.    Posted by Josh Filed in Uncategorized [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23617</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 20:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allow me to be really radical here.

My ONLY concern about having cellphones in class, mine or anyone else's, is rude behavior. Don't educators know how to create environments in which students behave in a civil fashion?

When I board an airplane or enter a concert hall a polite announcement asks me to turn off my cellphone - done - no police action necessary.

Why have schools become so antagonistic?



The larger problem is that our school paradigm is militaristic and built upon a top-down hierarchy of blind obedience to arbitrary rules and regulations (ie... NCLB)

If one desires to create a productive learning environment free of coercion, grades, tests, ranking, sorting and discipline problems, they can - tomorrow.

I just earned my PhD for documenting the work I did along with Seymour Papert (and others) in creating an alternative learning environment inside of a state prison for teens.(1) Not only did we create a productive context for learning where the only rule was "do something," but we did not have a single incident in three years requiring a student to leave the classroom for disicipline reasons.

My work with severely at-risk children in the USA, Australia and Canada continues to reinforce my belief that it is possible to create educational experiences that place the needs and interests of children ahead of adult domination fantasies.

&lt;em&gt;(1) Lest you think this was some sort of idealistic setting, Amnesty International documented examples of student torture within the facility.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allow me to be really radical here.</p>
<p>My ONLY concern about having cellphones in class, mine or anyone else&#8217;s, is rude behavior. Don&#8217;t educators know how to create environments in which students behave in a civil fashion?</p>
<p>When I board an airplane or enter a concert hall a polite announcement asks me to turn off my cellphone - done - no police action necessary.</p>
<p>Why have schools become so antagonistic?</p>
<p>The larger problem is that our school paradigm is militaristic and built upon a top-down hierarchy of blind obedience to arbitrary rules and regulations (ie&#8230; NCLB)</p>
<p>If one desires to create a productive learning environment free of coercion, grades, tests, ranking, sorting and discipline problems, they can - tomorrow.</p>
<p>I just earned my PhD for documenting the work I did along with Seymour Papert (and others) in creating an alternative learning environment inside of a state prison for teens.(1) Not only did we create a productive context for learning where the only rule was &#8220;do something,&#8221; but we did not have a single incident in three years requiring a student to leave the classroom for disicipline reasons.</p>
<p>My work with severely at-risk children in the USA, Australia and Canada continues to reinforce my belief that it is possible to create educational experiences that place the needs and interests of children ahead of adult domination fantasies.</p>
<p><em>(1) Lest you think this was some sort of idealistic setting, Amnesty International documented examples of student torture within the facility.</em></p>
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		<title>By: Gary Stager</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23615</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Stager</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 19:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom is certainly correct that this story achieved New York Times attention because of the class/race of the students violated by such authoritarian hysteria.

However, this is an indictment of the news media's priorities and bias rather than a dimunition of the isses at stake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom is certainly correct that this story achieved New York Times attention because of the class/race of the students violated by such authoritarian hysteria.</p>
<p>However, this is an indictment of the news media&#8217;s priorities and bias rather than a dimunition of the isses at stake.</p>
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		<title>By: content to be different &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New ways 2 talk</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23544</link>
		<dc:creator>content to be different &#187; Blog Archive &#187; New ways 2 talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 10:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will rails against shortsighted school authorities stamping on young people and their phones in NYC. Having just had a battle with my son&#8217;s school who saw fit to confiscate his mobile and keep it for nearly a week (until I started to point out Union and Gov guidelines) I&#8217;m with Will. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Will rails against shortsighted school authorities stamping on young people and their phones in NYC. Having just had a battle with my son&#8217;s school who saw fit to confiscate his mobile and keep it for nearly a week (until I started to point out Union and Gov guidelines) I&#8217;m with Will. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23471</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Learn from cell phones"... please expand? 

Come on Will, a 35yr old calling his wife to explain why he will be late for dinner is a little bit different than a 13 yrd old texting who they have a crush on... 

Middle ground... they drop- off their cell phones in homeroom or the front office in the morning....pick them up after school....emergencies... call the front office.. American students survived for a 100 years using that method...better yet.. converse with your family {face to face} before going to school..

If anyone has lessons on cell phone use.. please post.. be sure to include variations for students who are unable to afford them...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learn from cell phones&#8221;&#8230; please expand? </p>
<p>Come on Will, a 35yr old calling his wife to explain why he will be late for dinner is a little bit different than a 13 yrd old texting who they have a crush on&#8230; </p>
<p>Middle ground&#8230; they drop- off their cell phones in homeroom or the front office in the morning&#8230;.pick them up after school&#8230;.emergencies&#8230; call the front office.. American students survived for a 100 years using that method&#8230;better yet.. converse with your family {face to face} before going to school..</p>
<p>If anyone has lessons on cell phone use.. please post.. be sure to include variations for students who are unable to afford them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J.D. Williams</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/i-lost-something-very-important-to-me/#comment-23335</link>
		<dc:creator>J.D. Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 16:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We had the same policy where I work. If we see an ipod or cell phone we are suppose to confiscate it. Ipods and cell phones are expensive. I've had things stolen from my room before. I'm not going to take the added liability of having to replace something like that.

Now my question is, do they have the same policy for teachers? I've seen staff at my school either on the phone or text messaging while at the same time telling students to put their phones away. I want to yell at them about the example their setting and how their expectations can be so off from what they're doing. 

They're also usually the staff members that talk through a staff meeting (or fall asleep) but complain that their students won't sit quietly and listen while they're talking. I guess it's par for the course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had the same policy where I work. If we see an ipod or cell phone we are suppose to confiscate it. Ipods and cell phones are expensive. I&#8217;ve had things stolen from my room before. I&#8217;m not going to take the added liability of having to replace something like that.</p>
<p>Now my question is, do they have the same policy for teachers? I&#8217;ve seen staff at my school either on the phone or text messaging while at the same time telling students to put their phones away. I want to yell at them about the example their setting and how their expectations can be so off from what they&#8217;re doing. </p>
<p>They&#8217;re also usually the staff members that talk through a staff meeting (or fall asleep) but complain that their students won&#8217;t sit quietly and listen while they&#8217;re talking. I guess it&#8217;s par for the course.</p>
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