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		<title>By: Tom Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no, you didn&#039;t say it was crap.  That&#039;s the point.  But you did say that &quot;helping to start conversations around these ideas and these changes can have a positive effect (in terms of in some way helping to generate some thinking and discussion around where we need to go,)&quot; which is really breathtakingly faint praise holding out an inderect hope of eventually getting to something relevant, if you parse it closely, and beyond that, you aren&#039;t really interested.  &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; would just say it was crap.  That&#039;s the difference between our styles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no, you didn&#8217;t say it was crap.  That&#8217;s the point.  But you did say that &#8220;helping to start conversations around these ideas and these changes can have a positive effect (in terms of in some way helping to generate some thinking and discussion around where we need to go,)&#8221; which is really breathtakingly faint praise holding out an inderect hope of eventually getting to something relevant, if you parse it closely, and beyond that, you aren&#8217;t really interested.  <i>I</i> would just say it was crap.  That&#8217;s the difference between our styles.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25663</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 16:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know Tom, most of the time, I take your comments seriously and they make me stop and think. But every now and then I&#039;m reminded of what it is about the way you do this that really turns me off. Never said it was crap. Never said it was a waste of time. Never said I was sick of hearing of it. And you&#039;ve just done so much to help me figure it all out. Really compelling commentary. Thanks so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know Tom, most of the time, I take your comments seriously and they make me stop and think. But every now and then I&#8217;m reminded of what it is about the way you do this that really turns me off. Never said it was crap. Never said it was a waste of time. Never said I was sick of hearing of it. And you&#8217;ve just done so much to help me figure it all out. Really compelling commentary. Thanks so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Hoffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 15:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is really a work of art, now that I read it more closely.  You&#039;ve managed to say &quot;I&#039;ve decided this &#039;School 2.0&#039; crap is a waste of my time, and I&#039;m sick of hearing about it&quot; without saying that at all, and making it seem kind of uplifting and visionary.  Amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is really a work of art, now that I read it more closely.  You&#8217;ve managed to say &#8220;I&#8217;ve decided this &#8216;School 2.0&#8242; crap is a waste of my time, and I&#8217;m sick of hearing about it&#8221; without saying that at all, and making it seem kind of uplifting and visionary.  Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Elliott</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25650</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jun 2007 12:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the key is to act as if...to act as if we knew a better way, to act as if we can figure out the lay of the river by plumbing it and yelling &quot;mark twain&quot;, and to not act as if we knew what the next bend in the river brings. We need to be confident, use the best tools available, and be open to this new world.

Lessig realizes that copyright issues are subsumed under the larger one of corruption.   In our context then, what are the larger issues that subsumes school reform?  Power structures, notions of human nature, and personal liberty are just a few of them.  School corruption is about all of these especially the institutional imperative for survival at all costs.  

Myles Horton put it best, &quot;The job is to organize a school just well enough to get teachers and students together and see that it gets no better organized.&quot;  These &#039;yeasty&#039; places will multiply themselves and fundamentally change society.  

We are what we value and right now we valorize expert knowledge.  It is fine to do so, but it is important that expertise be a part of the mix and not the cream that holds the froth down. I foresee personal learning networks as the next great ocean to explore.  I certainly am exploring them constantly as are many of you and consider it my main function to enable others to do so as well.    We are the new compass-makers looking for another magnetic north. May we be true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the key is to act as if&#8230;to act as if we knew a better way, to act as if we can figure out the lay of the river by plumbing it and yelling &#8220;mark twain&#8221;, and to not act as if we knew what the next bend in the river brings. We need to be confident, use the best tools available, and be open to this new world.</p>
<p>Lessig realizes that copyright issues are subsumed under the larger one of corruption.   In our context then, what are the larger issues that subsumes school reform?  Power structures, notions of human nature, and personal liberty are just a few of them.  School corruption is about all of these especially the institutional imperative for survival at all costs.  </p>
<p>Myles Horton put it best, &#8220;The job is to organize a school just well enough to get teachers and students together and see that it gets no better organized.&#8221;  These &#8216;yeasty&#8217; places will multiply themselves and fundamentally change society.  </p>
<p>We are what we value and right now we valorize expert knowledge.  It is fine to do so, but it is important that expertise be a part of the mix and not the cream that holds the froth down. I foresee personal learning networks as the next great ocean to explore.  I certainly am exploring them constantly as are many of you and consider it my main function to enable others to do so as well.    We are the new compass-makers looking for another magnetic north. May we be true.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Richardson</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25613</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Richardson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, wait, wait! I&#039;m not giving up. Not becoming a lobbyist. Not quitting the conversation.

I&#039;m just trying to see the entry point to the conversation that would do the most good. I don&#039;t disagree, Rob or Dave, that creating curriculum around these ideas would be a good thing to do to assist those that are trying to head down this path. But you guys that read this blog and enter these conversations and think about changing your curriculum are way far ahead of your counterparts across the country. My question is what is it that&#039;s going to loosen the floodgates, and I think it&#039;s really attacking some of the larger &quot;yeah buts.&quot; My personal search right now is trying to figure out the best way to do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, wait, wait! I&#8217;m not giving up. Not becoming a lobbyist. Not quitting the conversation.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just trying to see the entry point to the conversation that would do the most good. I don&#8217;t disagree, Rob or Dave, that creating curriculum around these ideas would be a good thing to do to assist those that are trying to head down this path. But you guys that read this blog and enter these conversations and think about changing your curriculum are way far ahead of your counterparts across the country. My question is what is it that&#8217;s going to loosen the floodgates, and I think it&#8217;s really attacking some of the larger &#8220;yeah buts.&#8221; My personal search right now is trying to figure out the best way to do that.</p>
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		<title>By: 2 Cents Worth &#187; What I hope to Learn at NECC</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25610</link>
		<dc:creator>2 Cents Worth &#187; What I hope to Learn at NECC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 10:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will Richardson referred to a recent post by Lawrence Lessig yesterday (Bigger Challenges), where the Standford law professor has announced a shift in his academic and activist work, away from the persistent mis-match between our copyright laws and the information environment that they address, to a broader curruption of how things are done here (U.S. governments).&#160; These are my words, my interpretation.&#160; Please read Lessigs extended post, Required Reading: the next 10 years.&#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will Richardson referred to a recent post by Lawrence Lessig yesterday (Bigger Challenges), where the Standford law professor has announced a shift in his academic and activist work, away from the persistent mis-match between our copyright laws and the information environment that they address, to a broader curruption of how things are done here (U.S. governments).&nbsp; These are my words, my interpretation.&nbsp; Please read Lessigs extended post, Required Reading: the next 10 years.&nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Sherman</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25599</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rob, Will.  I am fortunate to work in a school and a district that has embraced the Read/Write web.  We have numerous teachers who are ready to take the next step.  I would love to see some type of classroom unit involving blogging and Wikis that we could use to teach our current curriculum.  I would love to be a part of the creation of such a unit, as well!

I certainly have noticed a change in your writing the last few months.  I am sorry to read about your growing pessimism regarding public education.  I did not pick that up during the two times I listened to you speak in person (last July and December).  There are teachers out there who are ready to move forward, and we principals need assistance in guiding and supporting them.  That is why I look to people like you and some others for help.  
It&#039;s too early in the game to give up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rob, Will.  I am fortunate to work in a school and a district that has embraced the Read/Write web.  We have numerous teachers who are ready to take the next step.  I would love to see some type of classroom unit involving blogging and Wikis that we could use to teach our current curriculum.  I would love to be a part of the creation of such a unit, as well!</p>
<p>I certainly have noticed a change in your writing the last few months.  I am sorry to read about your growing pessimism regarding public education.  I did not pick that up during the two times I listened to you speak in person (last July and December).  There are teachers out there who are ready to move forward, and we principals need assistance in guiding and supporting them.  That is why I look to people like you and some others for help.<br />
It&#8217;s too early in the game to give up!</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher D. Sessums</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25598</link>
		<dc:creator>Christopher D. Sessums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you bro! See you soon.
-cs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you bro! See you soon.<br />
-cs</p>
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		<title>By: Mario tout de go</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25596</link>
		<dc:creator>Mario tout de go</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jun 2007 03:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Repérage d&#039;avant congrès...&lt;/strong&gt;

 Le Centre-ville d&#8217;Atlanta est plut&#244;t tranquille aujourd&#8217;hui. On peut d&#233;ambuler dans les rues sans probl&#232;me; les gens rencontr&#233;s ont le temps de donner tous les renseignements aux quelques badauds qui cherchent le...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Repérage d&#8217;avant congrès&#8230;</strong></p>
<p> Le Centre-ville d&#8217;Atlanta est plut&ocirc;t tranquille aujourd&#8217;hui. On peut d&eacute;ambuler dans les rues sans probl&egrave;me; les gens rencontr&eacute;s ont le temps de donner tous les renseignements aux quelques badauds qui cherchent le&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2007/bigger-challenges/comment-page-1/#comment-25589</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In addition to your concerns about systemic change, I remember that a while back, you were wondering where the exemplars of Read/Write teaching are.

It&#039;s probably no surprise that I think Open Source Curriculum is a promising route toward exemplars and then systemic change.  With the progress that Curriki is making developing the necessary curriculum-building tools, we&#039;re nearing an inflection point.  I&#039;m moving thousands of resources there and shutting down the other sites.

If speeches and one-shot workshops aren&#039;t yielding enough cumulative progress, why not use your pedestal to ask readers and listeners to come together and create an exemplary blogging-in-the-classroom unit...then a course for Read/Write English--done right, with samples of student work and video of teachers implementing...then a whole curriculum.  Pretty soon, you&#039;d have a real community of practice, departments adopting the curriculum, and charter and pilot schools springing up.

You&#039;re uniquely positioned to make this happen, Will.  People would contribute if they knew you&#039;d be drawing attention to their work.  I know Curriki is going to be at NECC, or I could put you in touch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In addition to your concerns about systemic change, I remember that a while back, you were wondering where the exemplars of Read/Write teaching are.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably no surprise that I think Open Source Curriculum is a promising route toward exemplars and then systemic change.  With the progress that Curriki is making developing the necessary curriculum-building tools, we&#8217;re nearing an inflection point.  I&#8217;m moving thousands of resources there and shutting down the other sites.</p>
<p>If speeches and one-shot workshops aren&#8217;t yielding enough cumulative progress, why not use your pedestal to ask readers and listeners to come together and create an exemplary blogging-in-the-classroom unit&#8230;then a course for Read/Write English&#8211;done right, with samples of student work and video of teachers implementing&#8230;then a whole curriculum.  Pretty soon, you&#8217;d have a real community of practice, departments adopting the curriculum, and charter and pilot schools springing up.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re uniquely positioned to make this happen, Will.  People would contribute if they knew you&#8217;d be drawing attention to their work.  I know Curriki is going to be at NECC, or I could put you in touch.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold Jarche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harold Jarche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 22:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s the $64K question, Will. How can we make some real change? Good luck in your quest. Larry is my hero too :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s the $64K question, Will. How can we make some real change? Good luck in your quest. Larry is my hero too <img src='http://weblogg-ed.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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