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		<title>By: Weblogg-ed &#187; The Plagiarism Thing</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/another-thing-that-bothers-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4827</link>
		<dc:creator>Weblogg-ed &#187; The Plagiarism Thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] So the article titled &#8220;Authorship Gets Lost on Web&#8221; in USA Today has somewhat of a connection to the very interesting discussion from a few days ago about taking work that others do and publishing it on your own sites, commercial or otherwise. (Let me just say, btw, that I found that whole thread to be immensely thought provoking, especially the back and forth between Tom and Stephen, who both made my brain hurt. And, interestingly, that the publisher of the site in question took my feed out of the mix. It would have been even more interesting to get his/her thinking on this issue as well, but&#8230;) The article is a recap of some of the more blatant stealing that is going on as an author of a Businessweek.com piece found his work had been published under the names of 13 other authors on the Web. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] So the article titled &#8220;Authorship Gets Lost on Web&#8221; in USA Today has somewhat of a connection to the very interesting discussion from a few days ago about taking work that others do and publishing it on your own sites, commercial or otherwise. (Let me just say, btw, that I found that whole thread to be immensely thought provoking, especially the back and forth between Tom and Stephen, who both made my brain hurt. And, interestingly, that the publisher of the site in question took my feed out of the mix. It would have been even more interesting to get his/her thinking on this issue as well, but&#8230;) The article is a recap of some of the more blatant stealing that is going on as an author of a Businessweek.com piece found his work had been published under the names of 13 other authors on the Web. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/another-thing-that-bothers-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4826</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you needn&#039;t pay more attention to it.Firstly make sure what the main reason of writing your blog is. If you think you may make money from your blog some day, so paying more attention, or ...
blog is to use sharing your perspectives, feelings with others browsing the site.
Obtaining the support from others should be very happy thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you needn&#8217;t pay more attention to it.Firstly make sure what the main reason of writing your blog is. If you think you may make money from your blog some day, so paying more attention, or &#8230;<br />
blog is to use sharing your perspectives, feelings with others browsing the site.<br />
Obtaining the support from others should be very happy thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/another-thing-that-bothers-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4825</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;By that interpretation, none of the cases Will, Stephan or I have mentioned would violate the license.&quot; -- which means you brought up these cases... why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;By that interpretation, none of the cases Will, Stephan or I have mentioned would violate the license.&#8221; &#8212; which means you brought up these cases&#8230; why?</p>
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		<title>By: Tuttle SVC &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Interpretation of by-nc-ca and More&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuttle SVC &#187; Blog Archive &#187; My Interpretation of by-nc-ca and More&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 22:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My previous post might give the impression that I think that the Creative Commons Attribution Non-commercial Share Alike (by-nc-sa) license disallows the use of the licensed content on any site that has ads or is tied to a business or individual consultant. I think Will&#8217;s and Stephen&#8217;s posts imply that they make that interpretation (I&#8217;m not really sure), but I actually don&#8217;t. Let me pause and remind the reader that I Am Not A Lawyer. To me, the layman, the reasonable interpretation is that to trigger the non-commercial clause you&#8217;d pretty much have to explicitly sell the content, not just offer it for free with some ads in proximity, or offer it for free on a site that has some connection to other commercial activity. By that interpretation, none of the cases Will, Stephan or I have mentioned would violate the license. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My previous post might give the impression that I think that the Creative Commons Attribution Non-commercial Share Alike (by-nc-sa) license disallows the use of the licensed content on any site that has ads or is tied to a business or individual consultant. I think Will&#8217;s and Stephen&#8217;s posts imply that they make that interpretation (I&#8217;m not really sure), but I actually don&#8217;t. Let me pause and remind the reader that I Am Not A Lawyer. To me, the layman, the reasonable interpretation is that to trigger the non-commercial clause you&#8217;d pretty much have to explicitly sell the content, not just offer it for free with some ads in proximity, or offer it for free on a site that has some connection to other commercial activity. By that interpretation, none of the cases Will, Stephan or I have mentioned would violate the license. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Downes</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/another-thing-that-bothers-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4803</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Downes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 15:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will Richardson writes: &quot;I don’t mind people quoting my blog in their own or using any other of the content that I create to inform their own work. But this bothers me. Someone has decided to simply use my RSS feed and that of about a dozen other edbloggers to create a “river of news” page upon which to sell ads and, I would guess, make money on our ideas. No idea who this is… Should I care?&quot;

Tom Hoffman responds, &quot;Uh… dude. If it bothers you, you should stop licensing your work under Creative Commons and stop raving about Lawrence Lessig all the time.&quot;

He adds on his website, &quot;Isn’t it also true that Will’s blog can’t use other people’s by-nc-ca content either, since it also has ads? Nor can David Warlick’s blog, as it has advertisting for his books and is generally part of his commercial enterprise. Tim Lauer has an ad.&quot;

The suggestion here is that the NC condition is so vague it can&#039;t be understood and should hence simply be abandoned. &quot;I’d say whatever Will isn’t selling he should give away, but give away freely.&quot;

So far as I can tell, neither Will Richardson nor Tim Lauer use other people&#039;s work in violation of an NC clause. Sure, they quote other people&#039;s work and link to it from time to time, but that does not constitute &#039;use&#039;, it constitutes &#039;reference&#039;. There is a significant difference, one which is captured in the doctrine of fair dealing (in Canada) or fair use (in the US).

As for me, Hoffman writes, &quot;What about Stephen Downes? How much paid work has resulted from his blog? Is he untainted? Do we need to examine his tax return? My point here is not that we all ought to be working for free, but that these non-commercial content licenses are terribly vague, and in my opinion for that reason should be avoided.&quot;

I am certainly not going to worry about whether I am &#039;tainted&#039;. My &#039;business model&#039; has always been clear, and is certainly not a secret. And my &#039;use&#039; of other people&#039;s work arguably falls under the domain of &#039;reference&#039; rather than &#039;use&#039; (though one might want to quibble about Edu_RSS, though since it publishes short excerpts only, and not entire articles, is probably safe under the same legal precedent that protects search engines).

But (as anyone who actually looks into this knows) in fact I do not obtain &quot;paid work&quot; from my blog. I certainly receive offers. But as an employee of the National Research Council, part of the government of Canada, I would be in breach of conflict of interest legislation. When I do external work, I do not charge any fees (form example, I charge no fees for my presentations, or for consulting on software, publishing articles, etc).

To take the other side of this now, my work is certainly &#039;used&#039; and not merely cited. Commercial use of my work (and this typically includes academic journals, commercial websites, books, etc.) requires permission from the National Research Council of Canada. My website allows non-commercial use and some software is available by GPL, a condition that NRC has tolerated but doesn&#039;t exactly enthuse over. With others at NRC, I am working to increase the agencies open publishing and GPL practices.

Some of my content is reused on a commercial basis, though not by edutechtalk. My site has been syndicated by NewsIsFree since the late 1990s, despite the oxymoronic name of that site. More recently it has been picked up by Technology4Teachers, an annoyance mostly because it messes up my Technolorati listings. Funny that Technolorati doesn&#039;t use the &#039;wisdom of crowds&#039; to weed out such echo blogs. My worked is aggregated by Yahoo!, Bloglines, and other commercial aggregation services.

The suggestion in this post is twofold: first, that I should get hot under the collar about such obvious and flagrant violations of my license conditions, and second, that I should abandon such conditions, because they are too vague. Some services that use my work may be &#039;tainted&#039; by their making of money in one way or another.

First of all, life is too short to be bothered by such things. The sites out there that flagrantly violate my license are very obvious to my reader and others. They reveal through their own actions that they are not to be trusted (perhaps something that Google&#039;s search engine doesn&#039;t recognize yet, but that&#039;s Google&#039;s issue, not mine).

As Janice Friesen says on Will Richardson&#039;s site, &quot;I NEVER take this type of site too seriously. If someone wants to do a service by collecting the information in one place they should identify themselves and their biasses. I think this is all a part of contemporary literacy that we so desperately need to be educating kids (and teachers and other adults)about.&quot;

But the main issue is whether I should simply abandon my license. I should, it seems, either change the conditions to allow such licensing, or I should pursue the instances of violation and get them to stop.

This is to misunderstand the principles of content licensing, at least, the principles as they should be, and not the principles that have been corrupted by a litigous and self-serving publishing industry and so-called &#039;information economy&#039;.

What I have done with my license is to express what I want, to express how I would like my content treated. Sure, there is recourse under law, as there is recourse under law for many things. But it is hardly a practical recourse, nor a reasonable recourse.

I have also in my life expressed other desires. For example, I have from time expressed the desire to be treated nicely. I have expressed the desire that people tell the truth. I have asked that people be courteous to me.

True, sometimes these requests are vague. Precision is for lawyers. It&#039;s for people who are trying to obtain the maximum benefit, without any real regard to my interests or desires. If someone finds a loophole in the wording of my wishes, and exploits that, they demonstrate that althought they can read and infer, they don&#039;t care about what I actually want.

We learn a lot about the actions of such people. Vagueness is what allows a person&#039;s charater to emerge. If Will Richardson, for example, want to use my materials, and if he wasn&#039;t sure about whether it would be all right with me, he wouldn&#039;t parse my license, he would ask me. Because he values his relationship with me more than he does the money he might earn in this instance.

For me, like for everyone else, there are those inconsiderate boobs who lie to me and treat me as though I were beneath them. People who don&#039;t ask, who just assume. Who behave dishonestly out of some sort o self-intrest, financial or otherwise, rather than taking what I want into consideration.

This bothers me, as it should. And I am not going to change that; why should I give up on my self-respect because others behave badly? I will continue to want to be told the truth, because that is what I want. The people who think they can just push their way around and act with no consideration for who I am and what I want cannot be allowed to define for me what is right and what is wrong, what I want and what I don&#039;t.

True, I don&#039;t sue such people. I don&#039;t take them to court when they lie to me, at least, not unless there was significant material harm caused by the lie. As I said above, life is too short.

But I don&#039;t embrace their behaviour either. When people lie to me, when people disrepect my wishes, when people use my content in violation of my license, they harm themselves because I will have nothing to do with them, I will not recommend them, and I will not trust them. And when such people do the same to others, again, they harm themselves, because people like me will have nothing to do with them.

Sometimes it may appear that dishonesty and disrespect prosper, especially in an increasingly anonymous society. The person who has cut into line ahead of you may appear to have gained something at your expense. My my belief is that a life led thusly is not one that profits. It is a life led solitary and alone. The essence of living in a community is to respect the interests, rights and desires of the other members. Those who disregard that essence soon find themselves excluded from the community, and from the benefits to be derived from the community.

And these benefits, I might add, go well beyond merely financial gain (and we blind ourselves if we limit ourselves to looking at money). Reputation, for example: as Audrey Hill says, &quot;The more you give away, the more your reputation is assured. And paradoxically, the more your reputation is assumed.&quot; And mutual support. And friendship. And sharing. And loyalty.

Jym Brittain, from Tahlequah, Oklahoma, for example, simply copies my website and makes a few pennies from the Google ad. But what is his standing in the educational community? What is his relation with the rest of us? How much does he participate in the dialogue, the discussion, and indeed even the joy and accomplishment felt by those who, together, achieve?

None of it. None. Whatever it is that prompts a person to behave dishonestly, it isn&#039;t worth it. Never.

That&#039;s why I don&#039;t have to take action, and why it is important that I not abandon those desires, needs and values that I express on my website, either as a Creative Commons license or as any other part of my work.

(Also posted on http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2006/08/will-richardsons-business-model.html )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will Richardson writes: &#8220;I don’t mind people quoting my blog in their own or using any other of the content that I create to inform their own work. But this bothers me. Someone has decided to simply use my RSS feed and that of about a dozen other edbloggers to create a “river of news” page upon which to sell ads and, I would guess, make money on our ideas. No idea who this is… Should I care?&#8221;</p>
<p>Tom Hoffman responds, &#8220;Uh… dude. If it bothers you, you should stop licensing your work under Creative Commons and stop raving about Lawrence Lessig all the time.&#8221;</p>
<p>He adds on his website, &#8220;Isn’t it also true that Will’s blog can’t use other people’s by-nc-ca content either, since it also has ads? Nor can David Warlick’s blog, as it has advertisting for his books and is generally part of his commercial enterprise. Tim Lauer has an ad.&#8221;</p>
<p>The suggestion here is that the NC condition is so vague it can&#8217;t be understood and should hence simply be abandoned. &#8220;I’d say whatever Will isn’t selling he should give away, but give away freely.&#8221;</p>
<p>So far as I can tell, neither Will Richardson nor Tim Lauer use other people&#8217;s work in violation of an NC clause. Sure, they quote other people&#8217;s work and link to it from time to time, but that does not constitute &#8216;use&#8217;, it constitutes &#8216;reference&#8217;. There is a significant difference, one which is captured in the doctrine of fair dealing (in Canada) or fair use (in the US).</p>
<p>As for me, Hoffman writes, &#8220;What about Stephen Downes? How much paid work has resulted from his blog? Is he untainted? Do we need to examine his tax return? My point here is not that we all ought to be working for free, but that these non-commercial content licenses are terribly vague, and in my opinion for that reason should be avoided.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am certainly not going to worry about whether I am &#8216;tainted&#8217;. My &#8216;business model&#8217; has always been clear, and is certainly not a secret. And my &#8216;use&#8217; of other people&#8217;s work arguably falls under the domain of &#8216;reference&#8217; rather than &#8216;use&#8217; (though one might want to quibble about Edu_RSS, though since it publishes short excerpts only, and not entire articles, is probably safe under the same legal precedent that protects search engines).</p>
<p>But (as anyone who actually looks into this knows) in fact I do not obtain &#8220;paid work&#8221; from my blog. I certainly receive offers. But as an employee of the National Research Council, part of the government of Canada, I would be in breach of conflict of interest legislation. When I do external work, I do not charge any fees (form example, I charge no fees for my presentations, or for consulting on software, publishing articles, etc).</p>
<p>To take the other side of this now, my work is certainly &#8216;used&#8217; and not merely cited. Commercial use of my work (and this typically includes academic journals, commercial websites, books, etc.) requires permission from the National Research Council of Canada. My website allows non-commercial use and some software is available by GPL, a condition that NRC has tolerated but doesn&#8217;t exactly enthuse over. With others at NRC, I am working to increase the agencies open publishing and GPL practices.</p>
<p>Some of my content is reused on a commercial basis, though not by edutechtalk. My site has been syndicated by NewsIsFree since the late 1990s, despite the oxymoronic name of that site. More recently it has been picked up by Technology4Teachers, an annoyance mostly because it messes up my Technolorati listings. Funny that Technolorati doesn&#8217;t use the &#8216;wisdom of crowds&#8217; to weed out such echo blogs. My worked is aggregated by Yahoo!, Bloglines, and other commercial aggregation services.</p>
<p>The suggestion in this post is twofold: first, that I should get hot under the collar about such obvious and flagrant violations of my license conditions, and second, that I should abandon such conditions, because they are too vague. Some services that use my work may be &#8216;tainted&#8217; by their making of money in one way or another.</p>
<p>First of all, life is too short to be bothered by such things. The sites out there that flagrantly violate my license are very obvious to my reader and others. They reveal through their own actions that they are not to be trusted (perhaps something that Google&#8217;s search engine doesn&#8217;t recognize yet, but that&#8217;s Google&#8217;s issue, not mine).</p>
<p>As Janice Friesen says on Will Richardson&#8217;s site, &#8220;I NEVER take this type of site too seriously. If someone wants to do a service by collecting the information in one place they should identify themselves and their biasses. I think this is all a part of contemporary literacy that we so desperately need to be educating kids (and teachers and other adults)about.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the main issue is whether I should simply abandon my license. I should, it seems, either change the conditions to allow such licensing, or I should pursue the instances of violation and get them to stop.</p>
<p>This is to misunderstand the principles of content licensing, at least, the principles as they should be, and not the principles that have been corrupted by a litigous and self-serving publishing industry and so-called &#8216;information economy&#8217;.</p>
<p>What I have done with my license is to express what I want, to express how I would like my content treated. Sure, there is recourse under law, as there is recourse under law for many things. But it is hardly a practical recourse, nor a reasonable recourse.</p>
<p>I have also in my life expressed other desires. For example, I have from time expressed the desire to be treated nicely. I have expressed the desire that people tell the truth. I have asked that people be courteous to me.</p>
<p>True, sometimes these requests are vague. Precision is for lawyers. It&#8217;s for people who are trying to obtain the maximum benefit, without any real regard to my interests or desires. If someone finds a loophole in the wording of my wishes, and exploits that, they demonstrate that althought they can read and infer, they don&#8217;t care about what I actually want.</p>
<p>We learn a lot about the actions of such people. Vagueness is what allows a person&#8217;s charater to emerge. If Will Richardson, for example, want to use my materials, and if he wasn&#8217;t sure about whether it would be all right with me, he wouldn&#8217;t parse my license, he would ask me. Because he values his relationship with me more than he does the money he might earn in this instance.</p>
<p>For me, like for everyone else, there are those inconsiderate boobs who lie to me and treat me as though I were beneath them. People who don&#8217;t ask, who just assume. Who behave dishonestly out of some sort o self-intrest, financial or otherwise, rather than taking what I want into consideration.</p>
<p>This bothers me, as it should. And I am not going to change that; why should I give up on my self-respect because others behave badly? I will continue to want to be told the truth, because that is what I want. The people who think they can just push their way around and act with no consideration for who I am and what I want cannot be allowed to define for me what is right and what is wrong, what I want and what I don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>True, I don&#8217;t sue such people. I don&#8217;t take them to court when they lie to me, at least, not unless there was significant material harm caused by the lie. As I said above, life is too short.</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t embrace their behaviour either. When people lie to me, when people disrepect my wishes, when people use my content in violation of my license, they harm themselves because I will have nothing to do with them, I will not recommend them, and I will not trust them. And when such people do the same to others, again, they harm themselves, because people like me will have nothing to do with them.</p>
<p>Sometimes it may appear that dishonesty and disrespect prosper, especially in an increasingly anonymous society. The person who has cut into line ahead of you may appear to have gained something at your expense. My my belief is that a life led thusly is not one that profits. It is a life led solitary and alone. The essence of living in a community is to respect the interests, rights and desires of the other members. Those who disregard that essence soon find themselves excluded from the community, and from the benefits to be derived from the community.</p>
<p>And these benefits, I might add, go well beyond merely financial gain (and we blind ourselves if we limit ourselves to looking at money). Reputation, for example: as Audrey Hill says, &#8220;The more you give away, the more your reputation is assured. And paradoxically, the more your reputation is assumed.&#8221; And mutual support. And friendship. And sharing. And loyalty.</p>
<p>Jym Brittain, from Tahlequah, Oklahoma, for example, simply copies my website and makes a few pennies from the Google ad. But what is his standing in the educational community? What is his relation with the rest of us? How much does he participate in the dialogue, the discussion, and indeed even the joy and accomplishment felt by those who, together, achieve?</p>
<p>None of it. None. Whatever it is that prompts a person to behave dishonestly, it isn&#8217;t worth it. Never.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why I don&#8217;t have to take action, and why it is important that I not abandon those desires, needs and values that I express on my website, either as a Creative Commons license or as any other part of my work.</p>
<p>(Also posted on <a href="http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2006/08/will-richardsons-business-model.html" rel="nofollow">http://halfanhour.blogspot.com/2006/08/will-richardsons-business-model.html</a> )</p>
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		<title>By: jetech3</title>
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		<dc:creator>jetech3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Aug 2006 02:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should check out this article from USA Today addressing this issue:

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-07-31-net-plagiarism_x.htm?csp=34</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should check out this article from USA Today addressing this issue:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-07-31-net-plagiarism_x.htm?csp=34" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2006-07-31-net-plagiarism_x.htm?csp=34</a></p>
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		<title>By: edutechtalk.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>edutechtalk.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tuttle SVC &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What&#8217;s Will Richardson&#8217;s Business Model?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tuttle SVC &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What&#8217;s Will Richardson&#8217;s Business Model?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 21:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will wonders if he should be bothered by this site, which aggregates various ed bloggers and presents them on a rather ad-ridden page. Given that he licenses his posts under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 (by-nc-ca) license there are two reasons he might be bothered. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will wonders if he should be bothered by this site, which aggregates various ed bloggers and presents them on a rather ad-ridden page. Given that he licenses his posts under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.5 (by-nc-ca) license there are two reasons he might be bothered. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Dembo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Dembo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d be royally ticked.  This is not an educator who is trying to spread the good word, this is somebody who is trying to profit off of other people&#039;s work through Google Ads.  

In my mind, here&#039;s where it crosses the line between cool and uncool: There&#039;s no way to contact the person to opt out of it.  If it was on the up and up, there would be contact information or some way to choose to remove yourself from the list.

I have no problem with re-feeds, but I&#039;m not a huge fan of public facing re-blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d be royally ticked.  This is not an educator who is trying to spread the good word, this is somebody who is trying to profit off of other people&#8217;s work through Google Ads.  </p>
<p>In my mind, here&#8217;s where it crosses the line between cool and uncool: There&#8217;s no way to contact the person to opt out of it.  If it was on the up and up, there would be contact information or some way to choose to remove yourself from the list.</p>
<p>I have no problem with re-feeds, but I&#8217;m not a huge fan of public facing re-blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Janice Friesen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janice Friesen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 15:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate those sites that collect links from all over (and now blogs) and then put in lots of advertising and do not identify at ALL whose site it is.  I NEVER take this type of site too seriously.  If someone wants to do a service by collecting the information in one place they should identify themselves and their biasses.  I think this is all a part of contemporary literacy that we so desperately need to be educating kids (and teachers and other adults)about.  Someone is making money off of this site.  This type of thing is going to happen.  I guess it is not worth too much stress or time to worry about them, but we MUST be selective about where we get information and teach others to be!!

Janice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate those sites that collect links from all over (and now blogs) and then put in lots of advertising and do not identify at ALL whose site it is.  I NEVER take this type of site too seriously.  If someone wants to do a service by collecting the information in one place they should identify themselves and their biasses.  I think this is all a part of contemporary literacy that we so desperately need to be educating kids (and teachers and other adults)about.  Someone is making money off of this site.  This type of thing is going to happen.  I guess it is not worth too much stress or time to worry about them, but we MUST be selective about where we get information and teach others to be!!</p>
<p>Janice</p>
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		<title>By: john gilbert</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/another-thing-that-bothers-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4784</link>
		<dc:creator>john gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely use your website in two educational newsblogs: Musicing News and Views musicingnews.blogspot.com/ and Literacy and the Performing Arts http://literacywitharts.blogspot.com/. These are designed to introduce students and other professionals in the arts education to some of the leading thinkers in educatiuonal technology. I don&#039;t appropriate your work. My newsblog incorporates about three lines of your entry and then the reader must go to your website. I don&#039;t see what the problem is. I don&#039;t make money on these newsblogs, and it just increases the traffic to your own Blog. If it bothers you so much, then just let me know and I will remove you from the newsblog, although I think my profession has been well served to discover you. To have a place where my colleagues and students can go to regularly for updates that have relevance to our profession is very useful, informative, and saves time as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely use your website in two educational newsblogs: Musicing News and Views musicingnews.blogspot.com/ and Literacy and the Performing Arts <a href="http://literacywitharts.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://literacywitharts.blogspot.com/</a>. These are designed to introduce students and other professionals in the arts education to some of the leading thinkers in educatiuonal technology. I don&#8217;t appropriate your work. My newsblog incorporates about three lines of your entry and then the reader must go to your website. I don&#8217;t see what the problem is. I don&#8217;t make money on these newsblogs, and it just increases the traffic to your own Blog. If it bothers you so much, then just let me know and I will remove you from the newsblog, although I think my profession has been well served to discover you. To have a place where my colleagues and students can go to regularly for updates that have relevance to our profession is very useful, informative, and saves time as well.</p>
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		<title>By: john gilbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>john gilbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely use your website in two educational newsblogs: Musicing News and Views musicingnews.blogspot.com/ and Literacy and the Performing Arts http://literacywitharts.blogspot.com/. These ar designed to introduce students and other professionals in the arts education to some of the leading thinkers in educatiuonal technology. I don&#039;t appropriate your work. My newsblog incorporates about three lines of your entry and then the reader must go to your website. I don&#039;t see what the problem is. I don&#039;t make money on these newsblogs, and it just increases the traffic to your own Blog. If it bothers you so much, then just let me know and I will remove you from the newsblog, although I think my profession has been well served to discover you. To have a place where my colleagues and students can go to regularly for updates that have relevance to our profession is very useful, informative, and saves time as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely use your website in two educational newsblogs: Musicing News and Views musicingnews.blogspot.com/ and Literacy and the Performing Arts <a href="http://literacywitharts.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://literacywitharts.blogspot.com/</a>. These ar designed to introduce students and other professionals in the arts education to some of the leading thinkers in educatiuonal technology. I don&#8217;t appropriate your work. My newsblog incorporates about three lines of your entry and then the reader must go to your website. I don&#8217;t see what the problem is. I don&#8217;t make money on these newsblogs, and it just increases the traffic to your own Blog. If it bothers you so much, then just let me know and I will remove you from the newsblog, although I think my profession has been well served to discover you. To have a place where my colleagues and students can go to regularly for updates that have relevance to our profession is very useful, informative, and saves time as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Jul 2006 13:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see my blog is on the roll as well.  I suppose I should be flattered to be in such fine company, and to know that someone deems me worthy of exploitation.  Who knew that I could be monetized?

The fact that this site does not identify the proprietor does not reflect well on the apparent intent.

I&#039;ve seen my work aggregated elsewhere like this, and have usually been cool with it.  I figure there&#039;s a tiny chance someone might encounter my stuff, like it (it&#039;s theoretically possible) and check out the source. I&#039;ve heard that redundant content floating around the web might degrade pagerank, but other than that I don&#039;t see the harm.  And I do aggregate content on a subpage of sociallearning.ca (no ads).

The rub, of course, is the aggressive use of the Google ads.    I&#039;m happy to let people take my stuff if it&#039;s useful to them, but I chose the non-commercial element of the CC license for a reason.  Because I&#039;m a dirty, lazy pinko, and I don&#039;t like people making money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see my blog is on the roll as well.  I suppose I should be flattered to be in such fine company, and to know that someone deems me worthy of exploitation.  Who knew that I could be monetized?</p>
<p>The fact that this site does not identify the proprietor does not reflect well on the apparent intent.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen my work aggregated elsewhere like this, and have usually been cool with it.  I figure there&#8217;s a tiny chance someone might encounter my stuff, like it (it&#8217;s theoretically possible) and check out the source. I&#8217;ve heard that redundant content floating around the web might degrade pagerank, but other than that I don&#8217;t see the harm.  And I do aggregate content on a subpage of sociallearning.ca (no ads).</p>
<p>The rub, of course, is the aggressive use of the Google ads.    I&#8217;m happy to let people take my stuff if it&#8217;s useful to them, but I chose the non-commercial element of the CC license for a reason.  Because I&#8217;m a dirty, lazy pinko, and I don&#8217;t like people making money.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/another-thing-that-bothers-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4773</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 21:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and odd that your posting complaining about them is now on their site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and odd that your posting complaining about them is now on their site!</p>
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		<title>By: Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Creative Commons, Adsense and Copyright</title>
		<link>http://weblogg-ed.com/2006/another-thing-that-bothers-me/comment-page-1/#comment-4768</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideas and Thoughts from an EdTech &#187; Creative Commons, Adsense and Copyright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Jul 2006 17:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Will begins a great conversation about others grabbing his feed including ads to profit from his writing. I&#8217;ve had this happen on occasion but always viewed it as a compliment. Will thinks differently about it. The comments (including Tom Hoffman&#8217;s zinger) bring more complexity to the conversation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Will begins a great conversation about others grabbing his feed including ads to profit from his writing. I&#8217;ve had this happen on occasion but always viewed it as a compliment. Will thinks differently about it. The comments (including Tom Hoffman&#8217;s zinger) bring more complexity to the conversation. [...]</p>
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